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  • #76
    Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
    Thanks man. The texting seems complicated to me.

    But good/bad news: my text message didn't send so I just sent the one you suggested. Fingers crossed!

    I did not SUGGEST for you to text that dude WITH THIS GIRL, geeeez, i said your text was fine since she was invested... But in the FUTURe, is better to give plausible deniability... goooosh!

    You over sold, that is why she is not responding:

    You went with "hang out and relax" , that should have been it... I was giving you explanations on plausible deniability in the future with other women...

    Do not worry about downvotes, is impulse, has been called out multiple times for that shit!

    In before he denies it...
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
      I did not SUGGEST for you to text that dude WITH THIS GIRL, geeeez, i said your text was fine since she was invested... But in the FUTURe, is better to give plausible deniability... goooosh!

      You over sold, that is why she is not responding:

      You went with "hang out and relax" , that should have been it... I was giving you explanations on plausible deniability in the future with other women...

      Do not worry about downvotes, is impulse, has been called out multiple times for that shit!

      In before he denies it...
      Good... fucking... god... I can't believe this... everything was going fine till this... man alive.

      So I over sold, ok. How can I salvage this, if at all?

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Impulse View Post
        Yeh seems like she kinda knew sex was on the cards (women arent dumb, they know whats going down)

        You could have used ijjis line modified which would be better-

        Im starving, you had food? Might pop into XYZ store... (whrre xyz is the store name..)

        That leaves a bit of BAIT for her to hook on...

        By suggesting a meetup to chill/relax, its not leaving her with a lot of options to respond. Its either yes/no - its binary and you dont want to put her in that situation if it can be easily avoided

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        Chill/relax is fine....but ijjis style is even better...it leaves convo BAIT...chill/relax isnt really bait of itself
        But why can't I be binary? I mean honestly, that's my style. I've been forward with her since date 2, she's mentioned it, she knew it, etc, and then this... Ugh! Words can't describer how disappointed I am.

        It wouldn't have been so bad if not for the texting issues. That's what threw me for a loop. I've had problems with texting before (even when I was pitching out first date, as a matter of fact) so this was well within the realm of possibility. To be f*cked over by something outside your control sucks balls.

        I'm getting a better phone plan because of this.

        Anyhow, I'd better start approaching next week or something. Fcuk sakes.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Impulse View Post
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          Ok I read your picture - hhhhm, i wouldnt have said "chill and relax" if your inviting yourself over at hers....

          In fact I wouldnt have even invited myself over like that

          You could have used ijjis line modified which would be better-

          That leaves a bit of BAIT for her to hook on...

          Also WTF happened on your other dates? Why didnt you take her home last time you met her?

          -----

          Sorry, cant help you if its fucked up..will let other guys chime in now....
          OMG man, seriously? Read the thread if you want to know what happened on the other dates!

          How experienced are you anyways?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
            OMG man, seriously? Read the thread if you want to know what happened on the other dates!

            How experienced are you anyways?

            This made me lol...
            Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

            www.dancefloorseduction.com









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            • #81
              Originally posted by Impulse View Post
              If texting doesnt suit you, why not just call her instead?

              Better to avoid something that you hate man..theres plenty of ways to game without having to text back and forth

              ALSO, another thing you can do is use WHATSAPP - because when they see your message you will get a "seen" notification - which will put your mind at ease whether shes seen your message or not

              Jesus christ! who is the kj...

              1.- 70% of my lays are from met in the club to sexting

              2.- I never advised this guy to text her that shit! he misunderstood, i said in the future used "plausible deniability"

              3.- I have multiple guys, that got directly laid from my text advice

              4.- all of my sex reports are "LIVE" copy and text via google voice of texting to sex...

              5.- my real advice to him if you read the replies instead of your usual downvoting and attention whoring was to stop posting about this girl and go get other women...

              http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p...Invite-me-over
              Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

              www.dancefloorseduction.com









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              • #82
                Before I reply skills, know I don't think you're kj, nor do I think you cost me the lay. That's on me.

                Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                Jesus christ! who is the kj...

                1.- 70% of my lays are from met in the club to sexting

                2.- I never advised this guy to text her that shit! he misunderstood, i said in the future used "plausible deniability"
                Yeah I misunderstood, but you didn't make it too clear, just saying...

                Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                3.- I have multiple guys, that got directly laid from my text advice

                4.- all of my sex reports are "LIVE" copy and text via google voice of texting to sex...

                5.- my real advice to him if you read the replies instead of your usual downvoting and attention whoring was to stop posting about this girl and go get other women...

                http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p...Invite-me-over
                My main problem, skills, is that if I can't convert a girl who was invested in me and clearly knew what the score was, how can I possibly convert girls through cold approach?

                The whole reason I was focusing on her was tyo prove to myself I could do it. Now that I haven't I'm completely deflated and don't believe in any of this shit at all.

                What's worse is I don't even know what went wrong! I followed all the advice. Sure, you said not to text her that way, fine, then how should I have texted her?

                What did I do wrong? How can I fix it for next time?

                That's what I'm interested in here.

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                • #83
                  I ended up going to her house actually. She texted me inquiring about my call. I called her back, we confirmed the meet, and I went over.

                  No sex.

                  I will post the facts. Experienced guys please weigh in.

                  So, when I got there, she had just come back from yoga.
                  Wasn't changed, hadn't showered.
                  She came down from her apartment to let me in the building.
                  Didn't hug or kiss me hello.
                  We went in an elevator and I prolly should have gone for the kiss... but didn't.

                  When we got into her place she was eating, so I let her eat.
                  When she was done, we cuddled up but I was awkward as f*ck with my hands. I didn't want to lay them on her breasts, legs, pussy, stomach, so she grabbed a pillow and I rested them on that.

                  Just before she grabbed the pillow I joked that I had her in a choke hold and held my arm around her neck. She laughed.

                  As we watched I began playing with her hair. She was mentioning it, like it was weird or something but I was only following GLL's escalation guide.

                  Anyhow, played with her hair a bit (which ended up as me petting her basically lol) then I went to the neck, massaged it, then after that went for the kiss.

                  This was to be the trend for the entire 2.5 hours. I would kiss her, then she'd laugh or say "ok, watch the show" or something.

                  At about the 1 hour mark I was getting pretty far. I had kissed her passionately a few times (though, when I matched her intensity, she'd always seem to back off.) and was feeling her legs and even grabbed a breast a couple times, but then I think I went too fast or something cause she was like "uhuh, not tonight" or something.

                  Then her BL got a bit closed off. She switched from resting on me, to sitting beside me. I continued to play with the hair, massage her neck, and go for the kiss, endless times. We had some good makeouts but mostly it was just 1-2 kisses then "back to the show".

                  She told me "stop" a few times, and I did. She said "no" a few times, and I backed off. So it was odd. Either she wasn't into me or the fact that she has work tomorrow was the reason she kept stopping things.

                  A few times I seemed to get far but she'd shut down. Too far too fast maybe, but if I didn't escelate, things seemed to peter out, so it was strange.

                  Some of the makeouts (particularly during the legs/boobs phase) were intense and fun but she'd always end it with a laugh. I don't get that.

                  She got up a few times to get away from me.

                  Told me to not be so "gropey" (even though, when she said this, I was only going for kisses at that point, and had downgraded from the boob/leg stuff)

                  The show we were watching had rape elements in it and I felt like escalating during that would be a bad thing to do lol. Kind of a turn off tbh. Even though it turned out that the girl wasn't raped, but I digress.

                  She told me I needed to "relax" and "chill" I kinda scoffed at it, but I did anyhow.

                  At some points, when I DID escelate even after her saying that, she was cold and got stiff (i.e. wouldn't turn to kiss me when I prompted her)

                  Eventually, it was time for bed (she said) and we talked a bit before having a rather fiery make-out while standing up (we held each other and I pushed my leg into her crotch, she stopped within a second of that lol).

                  We kissed a bit more, she was smiling, and she was the one prompting it. (she'd say "one more" *kiss* "ok, one more" *kiss*)

                  And then I was out. She closed the door before I could finish my goodbye.

                  So... I'm a bit confused, but overall it doesn't seem too good.

                  I mean, I stayed respectful (even though I made my disappointment audible, it wasn't frustration just "oh man... ok" kind of thing) so I dunno.

                  No text from her though... I dunno. I'm in over my head lol.

                  However, at this point, it doesn't look good I don't think.

                  EDIT: Oh yeah, and I should mention I had a boner after about 1.75 hours. She went to the bathroom and I thought it was because she expected sex but, when she came back, she didn't seem responsive to my kisses so I eased the f*ck off to avoid cumming in my pants and/or going too far.

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                  • #84
                    1. Does she know you're a virgin?
                    2. She could've been on her period, which might be why she didn't want to have sex....or she is just still unsure about you.
                    3. Sexually inexperienced people tend to be physically aggressive when it comes to making out and petting. This will improve with experience. It might help to tell her you're a virgin in person next time (I'm not sure about this, but it might help her understand you).
                    4. Don't worry about unresponsiveness over txt. People are busy. Don't get butthurt and take it personal.
                    5. She is into you. Just stay persistent and don't fuck it up!
                    6. This is the Internet. You can say "fuck".

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Circulator View Post
                      5. She is into you. Just stay persistent and don't fuck it up!
                      6. This is the Internet. You can say "fuck".

                      Really? A guy I know says she isn't into me anymore. Can I get some more opinions guys?

                      EDIT: Why do you say she's into me? From my perspective, there were more boundaries being set than there were open moments.

                      However, the guy who said she isn't into me also said it may be because she was just home from yoga and hadn't showered, which is why she didn't fuck me.

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                      • #86
                        I think the following might help you adjust some things on the larger scale:
                        1) Slow down - use arousal tactics Not just escalation tactics. Give her space for that want to grow in that space. Delayed gratification. read ijs containment post about it http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p...69-Containment. you might not get it but it might open some thigns in your head. Read it and keep an open mind with it. let it linger with you for some time to understand the space of seduction and escalation.
                        2) Sense her more. try to observe her and see what it does to you. Notice her comfort levels and arousal levels
                        3) Check teevs post around mutual escalation http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p...even-a-JOKE%29 and consider for some time how that would change what youre doing. THink less than eg sleazys fast club approach, try to make it more soft and just do a few of the things. test this with many girls to get a feel of it.

                        And give it tiiiiiime. Dont frustrate too much about youre wrong too fast. retry. test, ask about the details of others execution etc. reread posts to get nuances. try to find a less needy motivation for it. in needy i refer to your somewhat insecurity fizzes responses to her doings. yes it could be lost due to your clear lack of sensitivity to her needs. but dont be black or white about it. she def. likes you since meeting up at home. but maybe your insensitivity has killed it. maybe not. If you next move can tap into her the right way - understanding her need for slower escalation and maybe ohter things i would think your option is best.

                        ps: try to tap into how the posts i recommend tap into the bigger questions. Not just hunting the little questions of " specifics how to". read the to UNDERSTAND. Like really dig into them. reread a few times.
                        Heard you not the type that you take home to mom

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                        • #87
                          Victor and Clara scene in Pedro Almodovar's, Live Flesh, movie. Watch it. Then let's talk options. Coming out is high risk but she already knows something is off...

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                          • #88
                            Thanks glow. I WAS trying to sense her and to help her along, sometimes I seemed to succeed, other times not.

                            This topic on mutual escalation is good, reading it now.

                            EDIT: As I'm reading it he's talking about making the girl escalate with you so... I'm following good looking loser escalation guide, where his basic formula is this:

                            1. Touch hair
                            2. Massage neck/shoulders
                            3. Kiss
                            4. Touch her legs
                            5. Touch her breasts and ass
                            6. Touch her inner thighs and pussy

                            Now, my question is, Am I really supposed to make her touch my hair, then massage my neck, then touch my legs,then my chest and ass, then my inner legs and dick??

                            Or is there a certain exception to the mutual escalation?

                            Originally posted by Sase View Post
                            Victor and Clara scene in Pedro Almodovar's, Live Flesh, movie. Watch it. Then let's talk options. Coming out is high risk but she already knows something is off...
                            I don't have the movie but what options are you talking about? And what "coming out" are you talking about? And what do you mean "she knows something is off"?

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                            • #89
                              [QUOTE=SargeMaximus;180280]I ended up going to her house actually. She texted me inquiring about my call. I called her back, we confirmed the meet, and I went over.

                              No sex.

                              I will post the facts. Experienced guys please weigh in.

                              So, when I got there, she had just come back from yoga.
                              Wasn't changed, hadn't showered.
                              She came down from her apartment to let me in the building.
                              Didn't hug or kiss me hello.
                              We went in an elevator and I prolly should have gone for the kiss... but didn't. /QUOTE]

                              Sometimes women won't make that type of move unless they're an open person with you. Up to you to make the move majority of the time. I don't see any reason why you couldn't hug or kiss her. Its a greeting afterall.

                              [Quote=When we got into her place she was eating, so I let her eat.
                              When she was done, we cuddled up but I was awkward as f*ck with my hands. I didn't want to lay them on her breasts, legs, pussy, stomach, so she grabbed a pillow and I rested them on that./QUOTE]

                              Well obviously not her pussy or breasts but neutral zone like stomach or hands is fine in my experience. Worst thing she can say is no or kick you out. Just be chill about it.

                              Just before she grabbed the pillow I joked that I had her in a choke hold and held my arm around her neck. She laughed.

                              [QUOTE=As we watched I began playing with her hair. She was mentioning it, like it was weird or something but I was only following GLL's escalation guide.

                              Anyhow, played with her hair a bit (which ended up as me petting her basically lol) then I went to the neck, massaged it, then after that went for the kiss.

                              This was to be the trend for the entire 2.5 hours. I would kiss her, then she'd laugh or say "ok, watch the show" or something./QUOTE]

                              Were you making conversation while doing this? Kind of have to drop in sexual topics/inuendo here and there to get her mind on sex.

                              [QUOTE=At about the 1 hour mark I was getting pretty far. I had kissed her passionately a few times (though, when I matched her intensity, she'd always seem to back off.) and was feeling her legs and even grabbed a breast a couple times, but then I think I went too fast or something cause she was like "uhuh, not tonight" or something.

                              Then her BL got a bit closed off. She switched from resting on me, to sitting beside me. I continued to play with the hair, massage her neck, and go for the kiss, endless times. We had some good makeouts but mostly it was just 1-2 kisses then "back to the show"./QUOTE]

                              At this point 2 steps back one step forward. Gotta let off for a few minutes then start again. Could be like guys say,she prob on her period,tired or maybe didnt want to cuz she didnt shower yet. Could be a number of things.


                              Thats just my 2 cents on the interaction. If I'm wrong well then I am aha

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Tagz View Post
                                Sometimes women won't make that type of move unless they're an open person with you. Up to you to make the move majority of the time. I don't see any reason why you couldn't hug or kiss her. Its a greeting afterall.


                                Well obviously not her pussy or breasts but neutral zone like stomach or hands is fine in my experience. Worst thing she can say is no or kick you out. Just be chill about it.



                                Were you making conversation while doing this? Kind of have to drop in sexual topics/inuendo here and there to get her mind on sex.


                                At this point 2 steps back one step forward. Gotta let off for a few minutes then start again. Could be like guys say,she prob on her period,tired or maybe didnt want to cuz she didnt shower yet. Could be a number of things.


                                Thats just my 2 cents on the interaction. If I'm wrong well then I am aha

                                Thanks for stopping by Tagz! As for your points:

                                1.
                                I wasn't aware the woman expected the man to initiate the greeting. A lot of this stuff is confusing to me like when to "be the man" and escalate, vs. when to get mutual escalation...

                                2.
                                Chilling out is a good idea lol.

                                3.
                                As for conversation... not much. She was mostly watching the show and talking about that I was trying to follow it but was also trying to escalate. There were times where she'd get very talkative though and I tried to give her that space because I knew something was up but couldn't figure out what (I thought I was doing mostly everything right lol).

                                I did make an innuendo actually. At one point she was saying how my massages were bad. Like her grandkid could massage harder. So I started massaging harder and did that for a while. She let me. I asked if it felt good, she said "it doesn't feel bad" and I'm like "well it's gotta feel good, that's the whole point".

                                Anyhow, eventually I found a knot on her back and she noticed it too saying "wow, that's a knot" I'm like "yeah, gotta rub it out" she laughed. I dunno if it was a good one or not. I actually didn't mean it that way but afterwards I realized it was an innuendo.

                                She brought up some exes, including a black man she was dating and I was like "is it true what they say? once you go black, you never go back?" she's like "no. He was a big guy, but no... just massive actually" I didn't say anything to that tho :/

                                4.
                                Yeah, I did try to give her space, but I also didn't want to lose it entirely (I get bored easy and can lose interest).

                                I do think with the way things ended (passionate makeout) she was into me, but having no text this morning where she usually texted me immediately after our dates, tells me it's probably lost at this point.

                                At any rate, I sure am learning a lot. Like how I need to go for mutual escalation more. And pay attention to what she's responding to and do that more.

                                There was a thing I did, for example, where I'd put my hand on her head and tilt it back which usually ended up as a passionate makeout for 30 secs or so, whereas when I would try to move her face from the side to me, not so much.

                                Also, giving her space is key, I definitely did that right sometimes, while other times I escalated like a horny retard because I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing (leading, etc).

                                The whole concept of "mutual escalation" is a new one to me and honestly I thought pick up was about making the girl want to have sex with you. But now, after having experienced things, I'm thinking it's better to help her escalate on me.

                                EDIT: Would really love to know why I keep getting downvoted. Either you guys give me some constructive criticism or I'm going to assume you're trolls.

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