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  • #91
    ^
    haha

    WTF, if the guy doesnt like texting, whats wrong with calling her? The texting isnt working for him dude...he can save himself the hassle and just call her. Thats not kj, thats common sense man...better for a guy to stick to his strengths instead of in some area where he's constantly fucking up big time
    Texting or calling does not make a difference, jesus christ...

    Seems youve lost your cool here for no reason
    I did not lose my cool, i am tired of you missunderstanding my shit, and constantly strawmaning, I would advice you, to ignore me, my post and my advice, please..
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    IMO, you gave him the wrong advice and cost him the lay. Thats the bottom line. Trying to justify why you fucked up and rationalising why your some great guru isnt doing him any favours.
    here is the advice after, i clearly explain to him, to keep meeting other women, and stop posting about this particular girl:

    by skills:

    "Ok, so she basically said yes to sex, in this case you needed a bit of pausible deniability, you could have said: "

    traslation, she is in, could have said, is a suggestion of what he could have done which is to use pausible deniability, even if the girl is in... I never said do this or do that, i used the words YOU COULD HAVE SAID, as an example of pausible deniability, and gave example such as "lets get together to watch this cool movie" it was NOT A LINE, it was a sample of possible deniability... In a million years i did not know this dude was going to text her that... No where did i advice him to do that...


    "i am gonna bring a movie and give you a massage/cuddle" or " i have this amazing wine we can drink and get to know each other" etc... "hang out and relax" is meh could trigger asd if she is not too invested... But anyways, she is down, and she has been down and interested, so this is not complicated at all...
    I said hang out and relax is meh, to me... but i explained she is DOWN and is not complicated at all since he was freaking out about a girl that is super invested in him, the lines don't freaking matter, i was explaining that "pausible deniability" in the future imho is better...

    You said use XYZ line, or ABC line - you didnt specifically say NOT to use that for that specific girl..you only made that clear afterwards
    Read the paragrah i said "YOU COULD HAVE SAID" dumb fuck, what does could have said mean.... Where did I instructed him to use those lines, that would be fucking ridiculous after he said "hang out and relax" i would have never advice that, you fucktard... Dude i do not mind owning to my mistakes, my problem is when you said i told the dude to do something i never told him to do Jack ass... Same shit you did with the make out stuff.. Dude fuck you! fuck off! and please ignore me and my posts, keep downvoting me all you want, i will never get to the red... I understand missery loves company clown... Go back to your affirmation posts, and your walking before approaching and your 6 pack as fundamental to pick up crap...



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    ..which is why he used it...

    ...and cost him the lay.

    You fucking aspie shit! do you think even if i gave him the wrong "one word text line" which i clearly did not do, that I COST HIM THE LAY... you fucking virgin...

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    Im not denying you have text game or any other game...but you give him unclear advice here which cost him the lay..that is all

    Here is what you said again before you go back and edit it like you normally do:



    Again, its not big deal, but obviously is for Sarge because youve cost him the lay


    I normally edit when my English or what i say is unclear(i even edit my own blog 100 times), here is not edited and is as clear as the water jack ass....

    "could have said" Look in the dictionary what it means...

    P.s. Didn't he get to met her...
    Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
      ^

      Texting or calling does not make a difference, jesus christ...



      I did not lose my cool, i am tired of you missunderstanding my shit, and constantly strawmaning, I would advice you, to ignore me, my post and my advice, please..
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      here is the advice after, i clearly explain to him, to keep meeting other women, and stop posting about this particular girls:

      by skills:

      [COLOR=#111111]"Ok, so she basically said yes to sex, in this case you needed a bit of pausible deniability, you could have said: "

      traslation, she is in, could have said, is a suggestion of what he could have done which is to use pausible deniability, even if the girl is in... I never said do this or do that, i used the words YOU COULD HAVE SAID, as an example of pausible deniability, and gave example such as "lets get together to watch this cool movie" it was NOT A LINE, it was a sample of possible deniability... In a million years i did not know this dude was going to text her that... No where did i advice him to do that...




      I said hang out and relax is meh, to me... but i explained she is DOWN and is not complicated at all since he was freaking out about a girl that is super invested in him, the lines don't freaking matter, i was explaining that "pausible deniability" in the future imho is better...



      Read the paragrah i said "YOU COULD HAVE SAID" dumb fuck, what does could have said mean.... Where did I instructed him to use those lines, that would be fucking ridiculous after he said "hang out and relax" i would have never advice that, you fucktard... Dude i do not mind owning to my mistakes, my problem is when you said i told the dude to do something i never told him to do Jack ass... Same shit you did with the make out stuff.. Dude fuck you! fuck off! and please ignore me and my posts, keep downvoting me all you want, i will never get to the red... I understand missery loves company clown... Go back to your affirmation posts, and your walking before approaching and your 6 pack as fundamental to pick up crap...



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      You fucking aspie shit! do you think even if i gave him the wrong "one word text line" which i clearly did not do, that I COST HIM THE LAY... you fucking vigin...

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      I normallly edit when my english or what i say is unclear(i even edit my own blog 100 times), here is not edited and is as clear as the water jack ass....

      "could have said" Look in the dictionary what it means...

      P.s. Didn't he get to met her...
      Don't worry about him Skills, he's a troll.

      But hey, care to weigh in on what I did wrong/right during the date? I'd appreciate your input.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
        EDIT: Would really love to know why I keep getting downvoted. Either you guys give me some constructive criticism or I'm going to assume you're trolls.
        I already told you the downvotes is impulse he does that to everybody... do not worry about that shit!
        Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

        www.dancefloorseduction.com









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        • #94
          Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
          I already told you the downvotes is impulse he does that to everybody... do not worry about that shit!
          Right, got you. Thanks Skills.

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          • #95
            Before I reply skills, know I don't think you're kj, nor do I think you cost me the lay. That's on me.
            never got that impression, nor do i care i know you were calling out impulse, and that made me lol... I know it was not against me.. I was being sarcastic with "this made me lol"... IN fairness i will break down more when explaining things to you instead of being lazy with the writing... Sometimes i forget that you are new and a virgin, so i own you more break downs..

            Yeah I misunderstood, but you didn't make it too clear, just saying...
            could have said, means in my book, when she said "what do you plan on do it" FOR ME IN MY OPINION AND STYLE.... I would have said " we can get together and watch this awesome movie" the movie or the context is bullshit, if she said for example yes, to a movie she said yes to sex.... If the girl is dripping wet and wants to fuck me if i say "i am going to come over and bang you" even if that is what she wants, I PERSONALLY USED SOMETHING, the puas call "pausible deniablity" as a way to help her save face....

            My main problem, skills, is that if I can't convert a girl who was invested in me and clearly knew what the score was, how can I possibly convert girls through cold approach?
            ^ ah! this is a huge problem, when you meet a girl, or have a girl in mine THE BEST THING TO DO, to land that particular girl, is to still cold approach and get other women, which is the advice i gave you, i know it makes to you no LOGICAL SENSE and is retarded, but the reason you want to still keep cold approaching and talking to other women is case is the best way to actually FUCK THIS GIRL:

            1.- When you start posting in a forum about a particular girl, is the faster way to lose that girl... She is not in any forum posting on how to fuck you...

            2.- She met this cool dude, care free, being his cool safe... To a dude calculating every step, getting invested (which kills her attraction a bit), getting needy.

            3.- You go into scarcity shit! here is the best video breaking down this phenomenom i ever found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio



            p.s. about something wrong, reading and catching up give me a few...
            Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

            www.dancefloorseduction.com









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            • #96
              Originally posted by Impulse View Post

              Sarge: At 28 years old, seems like you lack basic social skills..the type of stuff your asking is painful to read and watch
              And yet... you never mention what, exactly, it is or how to fix it...

              Also, lacking basic social skills? Yeah, I knew that already, thanks for nothing.

              Originally posted by Impulse View Post
              Thats why I downvoted you before

              I suggest you get a social circle..there should be plenty of options in your area...go to meetup.com for one or citysocialiser which is quite popular in Canada

              And to lose your virginity, go out on club nights, have a few drinks and get talking to people. Go for makeouts right away..its NYE man...the best night of the year for ONS so you have no excuses
              I'm working on getting a social circle, but it's not like I can just snap my fingers. shit takes time.

              As for clubs, no thanks. I want to do cold approach, as I always have. Either you're gonna help me with that (emphasis on help) or your gonna downvote me without helping, like you've been doing already.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                Ok, I think you should be posting this in the rookie section then?

                Sorry if you got offended by the downvoting...I was actually laughing reading what you wrote man and thought you were an idiot..thats just being totally honest with you

                Seems like your in a tough situation and yes, your getting good help here for sure

                But man...at 28, wtf have you been doing all your life??????

                1. I suggest you buy and read a few courses (including basics of text game)

                2. Do you have a job? There should be social events related to that

                3. Go onto online chat forums and get chatting to people there - that will get you used to talking to people and understanding how conversation works...theres loads of online chat forums and you can go there purely for practise

                4. Get a coach. That will help you quicker than all the stuff here...and a coach will find stuff that nobody here can spot as they havent met you

                You seem to have normal conversation skills here, so the good news is it isnt THAT bad
                I've got a coach. I have probably 15+ books on socializing. I have a job and I went to a party once and didn't say anything. Talked to a few people they all ended up walking away though I have no idea why (was using "how to win friends and influence people" tactics).

                However, WHAT, exactly, was laughable? If you don't tell me I can't learn and improve, and that's what makes you a troll.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
                  I ended up going to her house actually. She texted me inquiring about my call. I called her back, we confirmed the meet, and I went over.

                  No sex.

                  I will post the facts. Experienced guys please weigh in.

                  So, when I got there, she had just come back from yoga.
                  Wasn't changed, hadn't showered.
                  She came down from her apartment to let me in the building.
                  Didn't hug or kiss me hello.
                  We went in an elevator and I prolly should have gone for the kiss... but didn't.

                  When we got into her place she was eating, so I let her eat.
                  When she was done, we cuddled up but I was awkward as f*ck with my hands. I didn't want to lay them on her breasts, legs, pussy, stomach, so she grabbed a pillow and I rested them on that.

                  Just before she grabbed the pillow I joked that I had her in a choke hold and held my arm around her neck. She laughed.

                  As we watched I began playing with her hair. She was mentioning it, like it was weird or something but I was only following GLL's escalation guide.

                  Anyhow, played with her hair a bit (which ended up as me petting her basically lol) then I went to the neck, massaged it, then after that went for the kiss.

                  This was to be the trend for the entire 2.5 hours. I would kiss her, then she'd laugh or say "ok, watch the show" or something.

                  At about the 1 hour mark I was getting pretty far. I had kissed her passionately a few times (though, when I matched her intensity, she'd always seem to back off.) and was feeling her legs and even grabbed a breast a couple times, but then I think I went too fast or something cause she was like "uhuh, not tonight" or something.

                  Then her BL got a bit closed off. She switched from resting on me, to sitting beside me. I continued to play with the hair, massage her neck, and go for the kiss, endless times. We had some good makeouts but mostly it was just 1-2 kisses then "back to the show".

                  She told me "stop" a few times, and I did. She said "no" a few times, and I backed off. So it was odd. Either she wasn't into me or the fact that she has work tomorrow was the reason she kept stopping things.

                  A few times I seemed to get far but she'd shut down. Too far too fast maybe, but if I didn't escelate, things seemed to peter out, so it was strange.

                  Some of the makeouts (particularly during the legs/boobs phase) were intense and fun but she'd always end it with a laugh. I don't get that.

                  She got up a few times to get away from me.

                  Told me to not be so "gropey" (even though, when she said this, I was only going for kisses at that point, and had downgraded from the boob/leg stuff)

                  The show we were watching had rape elements in it and I felt like escalating during that would be a bad thing to do lol. Kind of a turn off tbh. Even though it turned out that the girl wasn't raped, but I digress.

                  She told me I needed to "relax" and "chill" I kinda scoffed at it, but I did anyhow.

                  At some points, when I DID escelate even after her saying that, she was cold and got stiff (i.e. wouldn't turn to kiss me when I prompted her)

                  Eventually, it was time for bed (she said) and we talked a bit before having a rather fiery make-out while standing up (we held each other and I pushed my leg into her crotch, she stopped within a second of that lol).

                  We kissed a bit more, she was smiling, and she was the one prompting it. (she'd say "one more" *kiss* "ok, one more" *kiss*)

                  And then I was out. She closed the door before I could finish my goodbye.

                  So... I'm a bit confused, but overall it doesn't seem too good.

                  I mean, I stayed respectful (even though I made my disappointment audible, it wasn't frustration just "oh man... ok" kind of thing) so I dunno.

                  No text from her though... I dunno. I'm in over my head lol.

                  However, at this point, it doesn't look good I don't think.

                  EDIT: Oh yeah, and I should mention I had a boner after about 1.75 hours. She went to the bathroom and I thought it was because she expected sex but, when she came back, she didn't seem responsive to my kisses so I eased the f*ck off to avoid cumming in my pants and/or going too far.
                  A LOT OF MISTAKES THAT SHOW YOUR INEXPERIENCE, and is fine you are learning, BUT THIS IS FOR THE FUTURE.... Please whoever read my shit! doe not strawman or take what i said and switch it around:

                  1.- The first thing i notice and how i would have known as a dude with experience right of the back THAT THE LAY WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, again right of the meeting he, i would have known this, but skills how?

                  a.- She came from JOGA, Sweaty AND STINKY AND DID NOT SHOWER.... Every girl that is going to get laid that is the first thing they do they shower, shave, put perfume, put the best outfit etc.....

                  ^ so even if she is into you and HORNY AS FUCK, she would feel uncomfortable and stop you CAUSE SHE DOES NOT FEEL FRESH!....

                  This is no good, cause it gives her more time to screen you and analyze you since SHE KNOWS SEX WILL NOT HAPPEN, "do i see this dude as a friend" "do i really want to fuck him" "he is not what i projected into him now that i see him in person and how he is acting"...

                  2.- Your confusion, your awkwardness, your insecurities, your inexperience etcc... She could feel it and see through it...


                  Man i was there too, this is not something to beat yourself over, you will get a lot more opportunities... You got make out and a girl that was invested in you at some point, you will learn from this and get better and better with time...

                  I told you i licked a girl face that i lost, you did 10000 times better than me...

                  So my SPECULATION, she was into you up till the meet and she went from green/invested/dtf to maybe i like this dude as a friend/red...

                  Dude i am just speculating AND I MAY BE 100% wrong but i do doubt it...

                  Telling her that you are a virgin is also not a good move, cause she may not wanna be responsible at that age to take your virginity, and deal with the consequences...
                  Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

                  www.dancefloorseduction.com









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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                    A LOT OF MISTAKES THAT SHOW YOUR INEXPERIENCE
                    Like what? How do I fix it?

                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post

                    2.- Your confusion, your awkwardness, your insecurities, your inexperience etcc... She could feel it and see through it...
                    So... what's the solution to that?

                    I mean, ok, she sees though me and all that, great but, there's nothing I can do about it, unless you're suggesting I make an effort to hide my insecurities, confusion, awkwardness. But then my question is: won't that create a distrustful vibe?

                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                    Man i was there too, this is not something to beat yourself over, you will get a lot more opportunities... You got make out and a girl that was invested in you at some point, you will learn from this and get better and better with time...
                    I can't learn if I don't know what went wrong or at least what I should do to fix it...

                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post

                    I told you i licked a girl face that i lost, you did 10000 times better than me...
                    Yeah I was purposefully not licking her neck/ears because of that story lol, so thanks for sharing.

                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post

                    So my SPECULATION, she was into you up till the meet and she went from green/invested/dtf to maybe i like this dude as a friend/red...

                    Dude i am just speculating AND I MAY BE 100% wrong but i do doubt it...

                    Telling her that you are a virgin is also not a good move, cause she may not wanna be responsible at that age to take your virginity, and deal with the consequences...
                    I didn't tell her I was a virgin...

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                    • Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
                      Thanks for stopping by Tagz! As for your points:

                      3.
                      As for conversation... not much. She was mostly watching the show and talking about that I was trying to follow it but was also trying to escalate. There were times where she'd get very talkative though and I tried to give her that space because I knew something was up but couldn't figure out what (I thought I was doing mostly everything right lol).

                      I did make an innuendo actually. At one point she was saying how my massages were bad. Like her grandkid could massage harder. So I started massaging harder and did that for a while. She let me. I asked if it felt good, she said "it doesn't feel bad" and I'm like "well it's gotta feel good, that's the whole point".

                      Anyhow, eventually I found a knot on her back and she noticed it too saying "wow, that's a knot" I'm like "yeah, gotta rub it out" she laughed. I dunno if it was a good one or not. I actually didn't mean it that way but afterwards I realized it was an innuendo.

                      She brought up some exes, including a black man she was dating and I was like "is it true what they say? once you go black, you never go back?" she's like "no. He was a big guy, but no... just massive actually" I didn't say anything to that tho :/.
                      Im not on my laptop so can give brief response.

                      I particularly don't have much to help you with verbal "game" cuz I just feel things out conversation wise and choose something to talk about. Besides my personality is usually not giving a fuck what I talk about, some humor, and I have a dirty mind so I tend to blurt out innuendos a lot. Everyone different just have to find what works for you.

                      Her talking about ex is not good topic to be on if you're trying to lay her unless you know how to play it certain way.. I don't. I mean if it were me I may have tried using that "he was a big guy" and say like "well obviously not big enough for you" and then go into a tangent on "ya know many women say size matters..what you think?" This leads convo to sexual topic but at same time you could be talking about body size haha

                      hope i helped

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                      • Originally posted by Tagz View Post
                        Im not on my laptop so can give brief response.

                        I particularly don't have much to help you with verbal "game" cuz I just feel things out conversation wise and choose something to talk about. Besides my personality is usually not giving a fuck what I talk about, some humor, and I have a dirty mind so I tend to blurt out innuendos a lot. Everyone different just have to find what works for you.

                        Her talking about ex is not good topic to be on if you're trying to lay her unless you know how to play it certain way.. I don't. I mean if it were me I may have tried using that "he was a big guy" and say like "well obviously not big enough for you" and then go into a tangent on "ya know many women say size matters..what you think?" This leads convo to sexual topic but at same time you could be talking about body size haha

                        hope i helped
                        Yeah, that helped. Thanks.

                        I didn't say anything about it because I didn't want to get into a penis size conversation lol.

                        I also didn't change the subject because I thought it was good to not care if we talked about her exes (outcome independence, IDGAF, not threatened, etc) so thanks for mentioning that. Won't be allowing that again.

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                        • Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
                          Yeah, that helped. Thanks.

                          I didn't say anything about it because I didn't want to get into a penis size conversation lol.

                          I also didn't change the subject because I thought it was good to not care if we talked about her exes (outcome independence, IDGAF, not threatened, etc) so thanks for mentioning that. Won't be allowing that again.
                          Not getting into size convo per say but if it helps put her mind on yours then that's fine haha
                          Well it's fine not caring but just certain topics should be avoid.. ex,religion,politics and money are main ones for me. Avoid like the plague!

                          btw, this is just for future reference because I think Skills is likely right. Win some lose some that's life man. You'll get better.

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                          • Originally posted by Tagz View Post
                            Not getting into size convo per say but if it helps put her mind on yours then that's fine haha
                            Well it's fine not caring but just certain topics should be avoid.. ex,religion,politics and money are main ones for me. Avoid like the plague!

                            btw, this is just for future reference because I think Skills is likely right. Win some lose some that's life man. You'll get better.
                            Kk, thanks Tagz!

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                            • I think OP only needs to learn 1 thing.
                              Escalating = mistake

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                              • Originally posted by ijjjji View Post
                                I think OP only needs to learn 1 thing.
                                Escalating = mistake
                                Hey ijjjji! Thanks for stopping by! I definitely learned that lol. But... how do you ever get to sex without escalating?

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