The gym game thread - the fitness babe clockwork - dynamics/how tos in gyms!

[glow]

Hey,

figured it could be fun to discuss the gym as a specific venue for PU

I just joined a new gym again getting back to fit life. was missing muscular work on my own pace and wanna build raw strength. i was there today and did my first workout - just for some compound work - starting strength type things.

what i noted:
- energy is a bit like a club - people walk around and the level of chaos is somewhat high at least at my gym - so a degree of chaos. And i noted lots of insecurity in peoples glances - and a lot of perving. That said ofc. theres differences like her not being pumped up by the club but focussed on exercise and in a day mood there to do somethingish. Can we talk about gym faces?
- theres a lot of checking each other out - like way more than any other place ive been. kinda dick measuring looking type and alikes from guys and soft clances from girls. thing is everyone is quite aware about others - maybe partly due to a lot of movement around the same things. Maybe due to the energy/culture.
- lot more autogenerated opportunities for room game/presence and people look and there are many easy ways to position myself for her to see me
- it seems room game can facilitate a lot since im often side by side w chicks for longer periods. work her through proximity effects.
- the focus on bodies and physicality focussed nature must create some arousal generating dynamics by itself we can use/lift of.
in my country you dont talk much which i know is common in other contries where you can make friends at the gym.

and LOL - the place ive joined has a shared sauna and a shared steam bath which if used appropriately could be a great insta-thing if the vibe is on. Im a bit intriqued to use this somehow. i live literally 4 minutes walk from the place so could be fun to establish a clockwork setup from gym to home using the sauna/steam bath that delivers fitness babes to my door.

The club setting seems to suggest that a pull on command type thing is possible - something else must happen with muscle and bodies pumping dynamics close by each other.

Any thoughts or experience on how to engage with game in gyms?

Resources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/com...en_at_the_gym/ (list of clumsy ways and general gym douching behaviors)

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currently im seeing gyms as
- spaces where people carry out workouts individualised or in twosets creating path crossings/proximities in the centre over hour to hour and a half trainings
- people tend to go 2-5 times a week which allows for repeat seeing. some are in and out, some goes for weeks or months. others longer.
- theres a high level of focus on the training with little socialisation/interaction. individualised.
- Theres a lot of body exposure which are part of what creates a high level of anxiousness.
- several man-woman specific behaviors are present due to this environment
- the training itself will transfer the girls an guys across the hour making states change along the trainings.
- theres a lot of observed action due to the minimal interaction.

hypos
a key is that bodies/looks are displayed and a focal point in the gym space which provides and underlying measuring each other thing while focussing on individualised trainings. this intensifies the vibe of the place

[ijjjji]

My take - I find it has 2 sides. It certainly has a creepy #metoo'y side. You cant just stop going to the gym if someone there creeped you the fuck out repeatedly, right? (Assuming you found the logistically perfect gym for yourself.)

On the flip side, relationships among gym goers, seem to be way stronger than any other. I guess gym rats are ideal LTR potential

It is solvable imo. Friend of mine just fluff talked (only) a lot of people within the gym. When he ran into them in coffee shops or bars, he flipped the script tried to make it an insta date. But he was good at keeping it light and funny. (Imagine the detriment to his little game, if one girl was creeped out and talked to the rest of the girls, and maybe even gym staff about him...)

Another guy I knew tried something similar but ended up creeping them, and lots of girls were eventually making circles to avoid him.

[glow]

My take - I find it has 2 sides. It certainly has a creepy #metoo'y side. You cant just stop going to the gym if someone there creeped you the fuck out repeatedly, right? (Assuming you found the logistically perfect gym for yourself.)

On the flip side, relationships among gym goers, seem to be way stronger than any other. I guess gym rats are ideal LTR potential

It is solvable imo. Friend of mine just fluff talked (only) a lot of people within the gym. When he ran into them in coffee shops or bars, he flipped the script tried to make it an insta date. But he was good at keeping it light and funny. (Imagine the detriment to his little game, if one girl was creeped out and talked to the rest of the girls, and maybe even gym staff about him...)

Another guy I knew tried something similar but ended up creeping them, and lots of girls were eventually making circles to avoid him.

yeah, for guys who hasnt fixed their creeper vibe and behaviours it might be bad. Fundamentals. This is something one has to get pretty right from the beginning im thinking so i would do it unless i was certain about my impacts.

Creepers are in some ways a great gift though to use as a contextual understanding to talk to the girls about - to show understanding of their world if one wants that kinda talk piece. or for subte counter framing of ourselves. Similar to Teevs et als usage of it in clubs about douchy guys.

but in checking out tactics the social guy seems to be one key tactic that several advocate for gyms or mention friends who are succesfuld with. Tactics like:
- chatting up the staff and getting to know them
- chatting up others around - everyone to various degrees - some focus on a bit of social interaction to display open vibes and social behaviour. Others full talk to everyone types.
- Then distract for various after events like a nearby healhty after workout smoothy as girls are concerned with getting healthy food after which would make an easy next to facilitate.
but many people mention variations of social types that seem to be one way of it.

im personally prob. more for dominance in a presence/viber type style here which the gym is a great ground for due to 1) nature of individualised trainings doings ake everyone is doing something around each other and semi moving 2) the time span available here which is longer 3) lots of lone wolfes but well see

[pureevil]

You play gyms like social circles. Which means getting into indirect conversations where you read between the lines for whether a more significant interest is already there or growing as a result of the conversation. If not, treat like a social circle and prioritize reputation maintenance by not pushing. When girls are interested they let you know, learn to test and respond for this in a way that does not cross any common courtesy social grace lines. Also things like making EC -> she seeks EC again -> smile this time -> she smiles back. . as tests of interest before saying anything to begin with.

Gyms IME are generally not the best place for picking up girls. Its a game of recognizing and taking advantage of opportunity when its there, which could be fairly sparse.

[Skills360]

I put gyms unless aerobic type classes, one of the worst ever places to pick up women....

This is how i have been successful though, please field test (in before, sarge please do not misunderstand this):

[glow]

You play gyms like social circles. Which means getting into indirect conversations where you read between the lines for whether a more significant interest is already there or growing as a result of the conversation. If not, treat like a social circle and prioritize reputation maintenance by not pushing. When girls are interested they let you know, learn to test and respond for this in a way that does not cross any common courtesy social grace lines. Also things like making EC -> she seeks EC again -> smile this time -> she smiles back. . as tests of interest before saying anything to begin with.

Gyms IME are generally not the best place for picking up girls. Its a game of recognizing and taking advantage of opportunity when its there, which could be fairly sparse.

ok.
interesting view of it
not fully sure why we would look at Gyms like SCs - care to elaborate?

Also things like making EC -> she seeks EC again -> smile this time -> she smiles back. . as tests of interest before saying anything to begin with.

yeah From everything i see - eye games or eye plays/eye flirts seem to be key. testing her like you describe is not how i do it - i forecast her way before the first eye exchange and will rather use everyhing from the first eye to eye to the exchanges to work and have a positive starting point. eg by "pre-smiling" at the instant she looks at me which autoforces smiles and a better starting point. Or state specific injects like tension or others.

The discover and preegnagement experience i personally wanna construct is more along the lines of :

“I was all about it when this guy first smiled at me from across the gym," said Courtney, 24, "so we exchanged flirty glances the rest of our workouts. The buildup was fun and I was excited when he finally came over to ask me out.

[pureevil]

ok.
interesting view of it
not fully sure why we would look at Gyms like SCs - care to elaborate?

Its a closed setting where you’ll see a lot of the same people over and over and develop a reputation of sorts, and will have time to play with to build and test interest (you’ll see many of the same girls over and over). Social circles include the variables of reputation and the fact that you’ll see a girl repeatedly over time.

You have your work social circles, school social circles, extra curricular interests social circles, friend social circles, gym social circles, church (as an example, not most here i imagine) social circles, etc etc. Theres an overarching “how to best game” approach to all of these, where social circle reputation is balanced against taking bold action, and where you’ll see people over and over so you have time to play with.

[glow]

Its a closed setting where you’ll see a lot of the same people over and over and develop a reputation of sorts, and will have time to play with to build and test interest (you’ll see many of the same girls over and over). Social circles include the variables of reputation and the fact that you’ll see a girl repeatedly over time.

You have your work social circles, school social circles, extra curricular interests social circles, friend social circles, gym social circles, church (as an example, not most here i imagine) social circles, etc etc. Theres an overarching “how to best game” approach to all of these, where social circle reputation is balanced against taking bold action, and where you’ll see people over and over so you have time to play with.

ok. yeah the repeat encountering for a part of the crowd there is a dynamic indeed.
A key characteristic of SCs is that they have a certain web of connectivity (called social trees in some SC game - braddock) and that people enter SCs to interact or meet people as part of the activities or through activities themselves - building social ties or being in them. Here i dont see gyms at least the one ive joined to check the box. it seems very individualised w a few two sets mostly. with people engaged in their trainings. a crossfit box has more interaction and tie-buidling tand is a SC as i see it. Ofcourse this might be quite different in different gyms.

[pureevil]

A key characteristic of SCs is that they have a certain web of connectivity (called social trees in some SC game - braddock) and that people enter SCs to interact or meet people as part of the activities or through activities themselves - building social ties or being in them. Here i dont see gyms at least the one ive joined to check the box.

It may not be about direct interaction in any way, but you'll definitely develop a web of connectivity with all the regulars at your time at the gym. Perhaps I'm extending the web out a bit further to include a more casual and indirect level of connection, but its the same shaped web, just extended a bit.

All that "checking each other out" you witnessed and felt a part of turns into about 50-60% of the same people over and over when you go to the gym at a regular time. Which def builds a certain type of web of connectivity. Unless perhaps you're in a high-turnover area or location somehow where its new people all the time, or if you're going to the gym on an irregular schedule.

[Jack Gignac]

fuck gym girls are sooooo hot. Dunno if it's just me but don't gyms always seem like it's 90% guys? Girls have so much more leverage if they work out too...

I'm slightly tempted to just go beast mode in the gym sometimes. I've done like a dozen gym approaches and my closing ratio is dispraportionately high. from a dozen approaches pulled twice to home. I think it's cuz we're in a heightened state of hormones pumping. Might be onto something here.

I wonder what would happen if I approach like 3-5 girls in the same gym session haaha. They might not even think i'm escalating on all of them and maybe that I just know all the girls.

[pureevil]

fuck gym girls are sooooo hot. Dunno if it's just me but don't gyms always seem like it's 90% guys? Girls have so much more leverage if they work out too...

I'm slightly tempted to just go beast mode in the gym sometimes. I've done like a dozen gym approaches and my closing ratio is dispraportionately high. from a dozen approaches pulled twice to home. I think it's cuz we're in a heightened state of hormones pumping. Might be onto something here.

I wonder what would happen if I approach like 3-5 girls in the same gym session haaha. They might not even think i'm escalating on all of them and maybe that I just know all the girls.

Gyms that host a lot of yoga and dance type exercise classes should be loaded with girls. Now. . . they may all come in at once and then leave at once, but there's opportunity there. I fucked a crazy hot girl this way, there was an exercise area right near the yoga room in the evenings, and I'd make sure I was there at the right times, and gradually caught this girl's eye, and made the move to say something when it finally felt right.

You can't look like you're there because of the class though. . . so I mostly ignored them completely for a few weeks trying to get noticed without at all looking like i was trying to get noticed (I'll do stuff like ducking my cap to cover my face a bit and duck a little out of sight behind equip or something as if I'm trying to look super casual and wallflower (not in an obvious way at all). . . that's a sly celeb-type move that draws the attention of the sharp girls trying to spot super high value behavior in LA), and eventually it all came together.

[glow]

It may not be about direct interaction in any way, but you'll definitely develop a web of connectivity with all the regulars at your time at the gym. Perhaps I'm extending the web out a bit further to include a more casual and indirect level of connection, but its the same shaped web, just extended a bit.

good point.
to me this captures the nature of the gym space a lot.
Even just in one training session this pre-connect can be evolved significantly - the cool thing about gyms is that we can move around and do things for exposure where its part of the rythm of doing trainings there. Means we can move into their attention-spans and its natural as part of the training rythm. and we will typically naturally cross paths with them,

i played a lil with it yesterday - low attention radius moving sligthly in their direction to make them glance at me to pickup a weight or alike. i stayed semi-close to a few doing exercises and felt proximity do its thing. ive felt i synced with some of them. Low awareness radius on running mashines tend to make girls come closer to me maybe cause i am one of the few who dont creeper-look or nervous-look at them which are the two kill-it-behaviors most guys seem to be in.

Gyms that host a lot of yoga and dance type exercise classes should be loaded with girls. Now. . . they may all come in at once and then leave at once, but there's opportunity there. I fucked a crazy hot girl this way, there was an exercise area right near the yoga room in the evenings, and I'd make sure I was there at the right times, and gradually caught this girl's eye, and made the move to say something when it finally felt right.

You can't look like you're there because of the class though. . . so I mostly ignored them completely for a few weeks trying to get noticed without at all looking like i was trying to get noticed (I'll do stuff like ducking my cap to cover my face a bit and duck a little out of sight behind equip or something as if I'm trying to look super casual and wallflower (not in an obvious way at all). . . that's a sly celeb-type move that draws the attention of the sharp girls trying to spot super high value behavior in LA), and eventually it all came together.

lol. actually this is perfect where i am. its a layered 4 leveled place each plateau looking at the next. i do compound stuff so all the runners and threadmillers look directly at me.
and stretching area is literally on top of the racks i use - 1/4 of a random fitness class babes came down to stretch and stuff yesterday and sit there unavoidably glancing at me.

[glow]

I've done like a dozen gym approaches and my closing ratio is dispraportionately high. from a dozen approaches pulled twice to home. I think it's cuz we're in a heightened state of hormones pumping. Might be onto something here..

This is super interesting - will you share what-how?

[Jack Gignac]

I don't really do 'game' anymore per say. I'm just direct and escalate.

[Jack Gignac]

Gyms that host a lot of yoga and dance type exercise classes should be loaded with girls. Now. . . they may all come in at once and then leave at once, but there's opportunity there. I fucked a crazy hot girl this way, there was an exercise area right near the yoga room in the evenings, and I'd make sure I was there at the right times, and gradually caught this girl's eye, and made the move to say something when it finally felt right.

You can't look like you're there because of the class though. . . so I mostly ignored them completely for a few weeks trying to get noticed without at all looking like i was trying to get noticed (I'll do stuff like ducking my cap to cover my face a bit and duck a little out of sight behind equip or something as if I'm trying to look super casual and wallflower (not in an obvious way at all). . . that's a sly celeb-type move that draws the attention of the sharp girls trying to spot super high value behavior in LA), and eventually it all came together.

oh shit you're absolutely right about the yoga classes. I workout at my uni's gym though and rarely am there during the classes.

I remember a pickup coach was saying how there was a guy who would just pickup at an escalater so girls would literally just come up to him, The coach said the strategy was stupid tho cuz it was kinda creepy and outcome dependent but I might give it a try cuz I don't think it really matters if u use screening game. It's like a convayer belt of girls haha.