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  • #16
    Originally posted by Grodmeister General View Post
    but some of the advice sucks and nothing in this thread gave a clear cut explanation on what creates attraction
    And neither did your post.
    Look, it's obvious you've studied MM a lot, and there is much to learn from him, but you are obviously just regurgitating what he wrote and not speaking from experience, which is KJ. I understand your frustration, but you are adding to the problem by giving advice that doing it the MM way is "simple" and science based while the guys posting here are merely relaying anecdotes. Mystery sorted out his shit by posting on the precursor to this forum and having good exchanges with guys posting "anecdotes".

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    • #17
      Andy, I am really glad you brought this subject up. Recently, I have been taking a hard look at what attraction. Despite what some have said I think it’s pretty easy to have read a ton of seduction material and still not know what it is or how to create it. So these are my thoughts and you guys can probably talk me out of some of what I am going to say because this is work in progress.

      I think a big part of the confusion begins by not having a clear idea of how attraction is defined. To me: It is the desire to fuck a part of some one. We will skip the idea of that being plural for now for simplicities sake. It is not just wanting something more because she could want more conversation or more whiskey. It has to be specifically sexual. It also must be a desire. Most of us have probably fucked someone we had very little desire to fuck. Women fuck for all kinds of reasons, attraction being just one of them. Lastly, I believe that attraction comes in parts. I can remember sitting there looking at this woman’s lips and wanting them. She was large enough that the rest of her had very little appeal but I wanted to taste those lips, to feel them, to have them, and to feel them on my cock. Just her lips.

      I have a lover and I believe her when she says she is attracted to the minds of the people she fucks. I believe it’s that “PART” in the definition that makes attraction so vague and seduction so fun. So if we can agree in a general sense at least on the definition then we can talk about the subject. Otherwise we will just argue about semantics like whether you have to have it or if its not even worth the bother.


      Moving on then, I will do as Jazz suggested and take it from how it effects me. I can take a look at a woman and want to fuck her. Instantly. Physicality is huge. As I thought about this lately I watched women who glance over and almost instantly you can see the hunger. I sometimes wonder what in the world did she see? But they are just like men; one person could turn my crank that you would walk by without even noticing.

      I kind of like that 1/0 kind of idea with this one. Either it does it or it doesn’t. However, it is predicated on what you did before. Your style, build, gracefulness, etc all takes place before her eyes land on you. It might be a worthwhile side discussion to say that I also believe you are judged against your peers. If you are surrounded by beautiful people then it’s harder to stand out. Obviously and thankfully tastes vary. If you are a giraffe height is what it’s all about.

      From here on I believe attraction gets more complex. I was sitting at a coffee shop last weekend and a group of us started having a rather interesting discussion. Both women involved became much more attractive to me as the discussion continued. I was even looking trying to decide if their faces had changed hue or their skin softened. Their blue eyes were brighter. . . . Here is my theory here. It is still a wanting that does it. I wanted to know what they were saying, wanted to share the intimacy of the conversation and then it’s a subtle task to transfer that desire into a sexual hunger.

      Push pull creates a tension as she chases the mouse. Its there, its gone. She feels good and she wants more of that; then your simple touch reminds her of her sexual nature.

      But I have female friends that I am never attracted to even though we can have great conversation and all kinds of like things. I think I build a wedge that refuses to allow that cross over from platonic to sexual. She is not hot enough which is to say not my type, or she is the wife of a friend, or a relative . . . anything that just leaves me saying I just wont go there.

      In my ideas confidence is not that critical. You just have to have the balls to approach and move the interaction so that it has the chance to create a desire and avoid the wedge. So you have to act on the confidence even if you don’t have it. I think the whole masculine idea is to vague and its own thread. Neediness? Good question. . . ..

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      • #18
        Also, is it really a thing?
        Or is it just a shadow cast by something else?

        Like, you can easily say what silence is not, but what is it in itself?

        Are we totally in the wrong, chasing such things? (This reminds me of the 'confidence chase' that we now know was a mistake altogether.)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ijjjji View Post
          Also, is it really a thing?
          Or is it just a shadow cast by something else?

          Like, you can easily say what silence is not, but what is it in itself?

          Are we totally in the wrong, chasing such things? (This reminds me of the 'confidence chase' that we now know was a mistake altogether.)
          In my eyes, the chase to identify anything, to say "attraction is this" or "I am xyz" is a mistake. A compulsion from fear in my estimation, that stems from a lack of a threshold of sensitivity. I believe we can identify how things behave, but to identify the presence of something with our mind... presence can be seen, felt, recognized, and grown more sensitive to, but that step over the line into over-objectivity, to "know", is a step that brings with it an element of degradation.

          I am named, distinctly recognizable, but not defined.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Salaam View Post
            snip
            This thread is starting to get a little to far into mental masturbation.

            Although UWs definition of attraction differs from mine, they are still similar enough to be categorized under desire. (I don't believe attraction needs to be sexual, although sexual attraction is certainly a thing, so is just basic attraction, as evidenced by the fact that there are some guys that display qualities that make me want to be around them more than others, but not that I want to fuck them. Furthermore, even without sexual attraction, arousal can be created.)

            You create attraction by leaving her wanting more.

            Read the rest of UWs post for further explanation, but in summary you can do this by

            Push/Pull
            Attraction routines
            Natural opportunities in the course of interaction to leave her wanting more (cutting threads, leader her on)
            Your style and image
            Your demeanor
            The way you touch her

            In my opinion you should never focus more than 20% of your game, what you say, or your material on trying to create attraction. Overdoing it is not sexy, and will no doubt have the opposite effect.

            Lastly, akin to another recent thread here, if she is hanging around you for an extended period of time, just relax and assume she is attracted to you.

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            • #21
              sooo many things create attraction, and all are things that sub-communicate : THIS GUY'S GENES ARE SUPERIOR

              the most extreme attraction i have gotten in situations in which i talked to SO MANY GIRLS that i completely lost any type of head talk, fears, ego bullshit. Thats when i can go up to a girl and yell at her: "hey! slut!" and she breaks out laughing and my hands are around her waist before her giggling is even over.

              Thats when i have seen raw extreme attraction come out in girls. Whatever i sub-communicated at those times must be the real attraction creation thing.

              I have also gotten attraction based purely on my looks but with the exception of one girl those girls weren't the hottest girls but generally mediocre in looks

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              • #22
                Giving away the store here, but this will soon be on a free website of mine anyway, from a course I had out a while back.

                Want in detail?

                This was an audio called "the science behind it all" which is based on stuff that is basically "Gunwitch method 2013".

                This is an audio transcript, with no editing, and no spell checking, and bypasses the hook phase of a cold approach, but you asked for precise attraction defined, so here it is:
                ___________________________________


                Before we gets started on base influence for post immersion,


                I am now going to go in to the latest science and research in female psychology, and human neurology in general. I don't want you questioning how any of this works, I want you to be able to fully understand, without looking in a human brain anyway, how these processes are happening, so you don't doubt them and can apply them more appropriately in an overall synergy.

                And then like I just said, in the later audio sections I am going to explain how this all fits in to the influence mindset, understandings and toolbox a pickup artist should be carrying in 2013.





                Now on to the science of what you will be learning in the influence section.


                Everyone in the pickup scene as of 2013 is all about "fun fun fun" "have fun and girls just fall in your lap" is the order of the day. Women have gotten easier in general to pick up vs say 2001. Not just for me, I am self aware of that, I am talking in general with all hook ups. On the whole "I don't wanna be seen as a slut" mindset, so you get less last minute resistance and objections to going home with you during a heated sexual vibe,. However it isn't all candyland everyone hooking up easy as pie, everyone gets laid world out there.
                This fun fun fun stuff is coming from experienced guys in social frame and sexual arousal , if you just epiphany of the month go out and have fun, great you emotionally stimulate the chick to varied degrees, but if you aren't sub communicating sexual congruence and if the frame gets away from you, your success rate becomes nil. FUN FUN FUN can be great to get attention, and even as deep of attention as you can get in clubs, but then you need to fill in the other 2/3 of the attraction sphere somehow.
                More than that problem though, you need to get her paying further attention to you other than "that fun guy in the club who did that thing with the lighter".
                You have to get her fully focused on you, then later immerse her fully in the interaction with you.


                But what are those other 2/3s?

                Well right now, before I even get in to the science, you need to understand that there is no such thing as attraction.

                I am going to call it influence, because as I said on other items, there is too much knee jerk thought that comes with attraction as a word. You see guys with tans and big white teeth, you see men doing back turn spins in feather hats and women chasing them, you see cave people smelling each others asses, god knows, but lets just say it has too much baggage for most guys at a language to thought level.

                Also attraction DOESN'T EXIST. At a neurological level, there is no such quantifiable thing as attraction. We will get in to the hard science of this later. Again there is no neurological phantom called attraction. There is decision making processes to either fuck, or not fuck you, that is based on 3 components:

                Sexual arousal.

                Social frame.

                &

                Emotional stimulation.

                It is easy enough to see the truth of this if you recall any woman you ever fucked, and see how these 3 things were accomplished, or which were missing as rare as that is.


                About 90% of the game post immersion is the key 3 fighting each other. THIS IS a magic bullet, there IS a magic bullet in the community, the thing is it isn't just some line or technique it is a magic bullet of solid game with all 3 keys in place in every interaction:

                Lets take a look at some examples of 2 keys in place with one missing for example.

                Sexual arousal and emotional stimulation minus social frame.

                you walk up and tell her you think she is the sexiest fuckin woman you have ever seen, and you want to pull her underwear off with your teeth and eat her cunt all night long, with deep eye contact sexual voice and supreme confidence. You just majorly sexually aroused her and emotionally stimulated her, AND TOTALLY fucking RUINED the social frame in to a knee jerk response you won't recover from. Again women don't want to be accountable for the sex happening, or be a "slut", you just put the social frame in to knee jerk territory of "no I can't" mentality.


                Sexual arousal and social frame minus Emotional stimulation.

                You go up and you project masculine sexual dominance, and control the frame, she thinks you are a cool guy, people she knows would really like you, you are socially acceptable and all, and you are the most boring fuckin guy she has ever met, its like James Bond without the wit or charm, right there in the dance club. Some frat boy walks up, sticks his fists up as if to fight, picks her up and runs off with her laughing and screaming, he then sets her down, with everyone clapping and cheering, she is bashfully smiling and he gives her deep eye contact and kisses her.


                Social frame and Emotional stimulation minus sexual arousal.

                You approach her and say "hey you know I think I have that very same top at home" she laughs, you rainbow ruse her and she is amazed, wow fuck this guy really is fun, her friend comes over and says "hey are you trying to pick up my friend" and you say "of course not, im trying to pick up the both of you, but im not sure you could handle me two on 1, do you have any more friends?" she laughs and shuts up and leaves you to her friend, you take the friend out to the smoking area, you have a deep conversation about what it means to really be in love, destiny of meeting, how one little thing could change everything in the course of your life and hold you back from true love and fulfillment. You get back to your place to listen to some music , you try to kiss her and and she says "I really like you but I don't think of you like that, I mean you're a really cool guy, and I already have feelings for you, but i'm just not attracted to you, I mean you haven't touched me all night, you talk a million miles an hour, you barely look me in the eye, you make me feel like my kid brother did, he was so much fun" Of course she doesn't say the last part, she is just getting a lack of memory signals that you are a fuckable guy.

                The game is a 3 legged table of attraction phase: social frame, sexual arousal, emotional stimulation. 3 Keys.

                Miss a key you lose a knee. You fall over.

                As we talked about in universal understandings relaxation of course is new guys learning curve before ANY of this, all 3 keys require relaxation of mind and body pace, and outcome. This can be helped along with some method acting and exercises, and some realizations about rejection and the need to be in field etc, but mostly it comes from just approaching lots of women and getting use to it, bottom line. However you can be fully 100% relaxed with hot women, and if you fail to get the big 3 going, you will just be a faceless figure standing there to her psychology. Who then suddenly tries to get sexual and make a move.

                You can have only 2 going and manage a pickup it would seem of course. Like in the case of cavemanning a chick, going up, getting super sexual and trying to close her. You at least have a CHANCE without social frame under right circumstances, as in "cavemanning" etc. They COULD intellectually take your boldness as a vastly superior social frame, actually consciously though that is. as in "wow this guy is so honest and direct and not full of shit, he is the real deal."

                That's 1 in 100 times. So there really is no order of importance for the 3 keys, except in execution first to set the interaction as you want it to end up, sexual not social. So you start projecting the sexual and stimulating the emotional right away, as in attention and immersion.



                Like we talked in universal understandings, The game is not money, that's why she cheats with the limo driver. The game is not looks, that's why the best looking guys aren't all banging 10s, hell some a lot worse than average even. The game is not some massive evolutionary gambit where you merely over and over demonstrate survival and replication value to her social frame. The game is NOT woowoo state projection to the 500th level of bhudist mental control. The game is not conditioning processes like training a dog.

                All of these things are one legged tables, that is why none of these systems of thought or conceptual frameworks or seduction methods yield more than chance levels of success, even when done perfectly.

                The game is these 3 factors, sexual arousal, emotional stimulation, and social frame, combined and influencing her decision making process to fuck you or not, that simple.

                Beyond that just proper venue specific tactics are needed.


                There are about 5 different sexual arousal cycle models and theories in neurology, but they all pretty much agree based on MRI evidence that primarily in women the Amygdala, a part of the brain which in a sense interprets stimulus for our mind, isn't as strongly activated by visual images, but is more stimulated by emotions and memory. Simply, women aren't as turned on by looking at a guys abs, as they are by emotions and memories.

                We should all know this, it isn't insane theory of some sort it is as I said from MRI machines. The insane theories REALLY are for one example some of the material on evolutionary psychology that comes from guys on survival and replication, which is more closely based on Scientology models than current neuroscience. Women DO NOT sit and subconsciously judge "value" survival and replication wise and then once enough threshold has been met, become attracted then aroused, in fact they sit and judge SOCIAL value at a conscious intellectual screening level, and then weigh it against arousal and emotional stimulation to form an overall picture of their attraction to you.

                Again the arousal mechanism can be measured in their limbic system on an MRI machine. What does this tell us about sexual arousal then and what we can do to stimulate sexual arousal? Well simply put stop working your abs, again, women aren't men, start being congruent to her memory with someone she would be aroused by, AND emotionally stimulate her sexually.

                Aside from that as well, the corpus callosum, pretty much the tissue that separates the left from right brain and sends signals between the two has differences in men and women.

                A womans corpus callosum in most cases and most research, shows vast differences in how strongly women get signals between the left and right brain. Again we didn't need scientific backing to say that women experience emotion and associative memory stronger than men, and even enjoy experiencing negative emotions fully, rather than repressing them.

                Feminists would of course say this is all because of evil men, with the same exact brains, telling women they have to be emotional, yadayadayada. The truth is though that in any culture these neurological differences are there, and significant. Men are crazy for boobies, and women are fuckin nutts. In simplest terms. We wants physical traits, they also want physical traits, but they are also massively susceptible to emotional and memory based influence that we aren't to near the same degree. This is why we don't understand how to do it naturally.

                Again emotion and this associative memory are what cause more arousal in women than visual cues alone. If you bore her sexually, and aren't congruent in her memory with a man she would have sex with, and have the body of a Greek god, you will probably still strike out in seducing her. To illustrate this two blind dates:

                Man A arrives and looks like a male celebrity, cut abs, chiseled face, she becomes instantly mildly sexually aroused, as women do from this level of visual stimulus. Over the course of the date he remains totally neutral emotional stimulation wise and social frame wise. At the end of the night she just isn't attracted, and he doesn't do much to make things happen, they go their separate ways.

                Man B arrives and looks like an average guy, she isn't knee jerk put off social frame wise, I mean she wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen with him kissing her in public, but she also isn't knee jerk visually aroused or anything. Over the course of the night he gives her deep eye contact, he speaks to her slow and low, almost as if they are already lovers, he tells her things about herself that are spot on, its like he already knows her, he describes how his female friend once fell in love with a man on vacation in Spain, he makes a sexual joke so no one else can hear it, that is just spot on and funny, and he doesn't even realize it gets her thinking about sex, he is a really good listener too, they have really connected, she feels there is something really there and she is working towards it. Ok lets get star trek geek here, her Amygdala is taking in memory of sexual arousal, via his eye contact and sexual tone, and touching of her hand, the memory is, SOMEONE SHE HAS ALREADY FUCKED practically, he is "as if" he is already a lover to her memory, this starts sending arousal signals out which increase sex hormone levels.

                All this congruency of association in her memory, coupled with her language processing centers strongly converting the story and the joke in to FELT emotions of love and sex via the difference in the corpus callosum, and it's the same as if you or I were sitting there staring at a bikini models thighs in the sun. This is all verifiable science. Again, learn to influence women with behavior and words, stop working on your abs or the paint job on your car.

                Differences in how her limbic system is processing all of this information, and how ours would process visual stimulation are fairly reversed. The difference in the corpus callosum, allows her amygdala to send out signals via stored associated memory and emotional stimulation that end up in the nucleus accumbens, the pleasure center of the brain. This is how choice making is done, this is what "motivation" and "attraction" are at a neurological level. Combined with the fact that this new interaction is stressful on some levels, her body has started to release what are called Glucocorticoids as a reaction. These prime the nucleus accumbens to receive and be sensitive to dopamine, the main neurotrasmitter responsible for feeling good and having desires.

                What I will show you in a bit is how to do this and then how to short circuit her good sense and social frame so she acts on it instead of fighting it intellectually.


                Of course an average looking woman could seduce us with the same sequence. It would have to look different though. Because of the difference in the corpus callosum, as the typical male, our ingrained memories of what is sexually arousing behavior wise, and our processing of language or behavior that is emotionally simulating don't effect our pleasure centers to near the same degree as they do hers. However we are told that we are, and conditioned that we are in sexual scarcity vs abundance, so we would with the minimal emotional stimulation and sexual arousal, still have sex with this boring looking average woman, out of pure perceived lack of abundance. On the same token she wouldn't likely even try to seduce us, because she is told by society at an intellectual social frame level she doesn't have to, and to do so would make her an outcasted slut, so that's fairly unusual for a woman to use influence techniques like this.



                All that said of course the actor looking guy could on the blind date, could have just engaged in fairly interesting chumpy conversation, and made a strong effort to close her at the end of the night and banged her. I mean women do enjoy sex, and if she is mildly aroused by his look, and not bored to death by the conversation, and he is socially acceptable for just being a neutral non weird or chumpy guy, she wants some dick, if he also takes accountability for the sex happening, the ultimate social frame, he just turned in to a prize for the night.

                Hey what do you want from me, I just explained how you can as an average guy bang hot women here, with no state pumping, no positive thinking, this is all science, all verifiable. That is the best I can do for you haha. A really socially ideal, handsome man can fuck hot women if he makes a little effort. An average guy can fuck really hot women if he uses the proper influence skills. I can't make it harder for a great looking guy to get a woman aroused easier using his looks as one of his gambits. Some solace can be taken though in the fact that the arousal plateau phase will always be a problem for great looking guys who can turn a woman on initially, but then if they aren't aware that they need to keep escalating physically the woman will lose the arousal. Where we knowing what we are doing can amp it and keep it burning longer and more on demand. That is as you get experienced with the techniques anyway, at first you will just throw them out there and hit or miss get them to work.

                Lets look at if from the other side. You being knee jerk ugly to her social criteria will also fuck you up, but not arousal wise, more at a social frame level. You being knee jerk ugly is almost the same as if say the Channing Tatum looking model guy from the first date started farting all through dinner, loudly and chewin with his mouth open. Even though he has her aroused mildly via his looks, and mildly emotionally stimulated by interesting chump talk, he just blew the social frame so far to the left that to correct it and get the sphere of attraction working on his side again, he would have to probably run all the material you would, plus probably claim the farts and chewing with his mouth open were a joke and he wouldn't do it again, aka "I wont embarrass you in front of your friends and family, that was a one time misguided thing."

                So in a nutt shell it isn't either or, good looking guys, or guys with game who get the girl, who vs style match up! Both do, both don't. You can see this just by taking a look around without the science. Misguided pickup methods fail to recognize all 3 factors and the students suck. Good looking men have no influence skills and don't make effort to escalate and end up with average or even ugly women who choose them.

                On a side note of some amusement is that women report the same level of arousal from visual stimulation as men, but it isn't measurable. In these studies the researchers are baffled by this of course, because they aren't sexist enough to realize that girls just wanna play in the tree fort with the boys too. They are lying for social frame purposes. The same as they will hoot and yell at a male stripper taking his clothes off, but let him run off stage and try to suck on her tits ahahahah. Now imagine if a female stripper comes off stage and starts blowing a guy? Big duh there. We don't need strong science to see the social frame at play at all.

                Arousal isn't fully achieved by visual stimulation or full turned off by lack of visual stimulation in women, and CAN be fully achieved by congruent behavior/memory anchors, for lack of a better term, and emotional stimulation. That is the golden rule. Repeat that sentence 20 times until it is burned in to your brain, it is THE golden role of seducing women and being a PUA, ALL successful pickups and seductions must have arousal as the FIRST tier of influence, and then and only then is controlling the social frame, and emotionally stimulating her even a factor. Yep you can if you are a bona fide man hottie use social frame only style methods that are out there and have success, sure enough, but then you get entire forums full of guys who aren't good looking, attempting to get hot women in bed using these ONLY social frame methods, which can bore her, and can leave her totally unaroused sexually, in which the woman is supposed to be made to chase them. ANGRY forums full of men exist because of this, some for good reason, they wasted a lot of their time leaving out important factors of attraction.

                What preceded was NOT a conceptual framework or model of the world, or map of the territory etc etc etc. It WAS THE territory and is neuro science as of 2013. Enough with the weird survival and replication theories, enough with the "all women care about is looks" crapola, and enough with the woo woo "if you feel it they will come!" mind jobs.

                Lets get to work on post immersion.

                Once we have her sitting there waiting to be "attracted" "influenced" "seduced" "swept off her feet" "taken for a ride" whatever you wanna call it.


                We of course get to work on the 3 key factors right away as much as we can in the interaction with her.

                A caveat, sometimes you will just be talking back and forth like normal people!

                Again sometimes you will just be talking back and forth like normal people!

                Don't be a weirdo, don't start squirming and making weird nerd noises anytime the interaction isn't allowing for you to be using influence techniques, calm down, relax, enjoy her company, and slip in the following influence techniques to 1. Keep her immersed and 2. emotionally stimulate, sexually arouse, and socially frame yourself as desirable.


                Now before we start a quick word the word rapport as is commonly used in the seduction community.

                There really is no rapport phase, there is continued vibe, then more in depth conversation that you can emotionally stimulate inside of AS a further attraction technique, but mostly you just keep social frame, and sexually vibe strong and stronger. Unless you've never fucked a woman, or are a psychopath or something you know how to do this, 4 and 5 hours or explanation of this is absurd in some programs.

                Rapport is just you talking for a prolonged amount of time until you both become comfortable, actual techniques for this are a waste of time. This is better achieved in the immersion stage of the cold approach at a base level like we already have done, and then allowed to come naturally from basic conversation in between your influence techniques. A specific focus on rapport is like using a chainsaw to cut a toothpick in half, we aren't selling her a car she doesn't wanna buy, we are having a conversation and trying to get her wanting to fuck us. We are making friends with her and making sure she is also sexually turned on by us. A simple test of if you have a problem with "rapport" is to ask a person make or female you work with out for a drink, then assume there is a rapport, and talk to them and get to know them over the course of the night. If you end up in rapport, no problem, this will probably be 90% of people you would go out with if you are at all normal.

                See it's only the immersion and initial sexual sub communication, and getting her fixed and speaking to you that is a problem and barrier to rapport. Rapport without the "cold aspect" of the approach is just making friends with people. Even though people are more and more socially disconnected, and have less and less real life friends, everyone has had a few, or at least met a new family member and ended up talking to them and getting to know them for the first time and building a rapport. There is nothing to building rapport, but just assuming it will happen and acting as if it is already there. The same applied post immersion, just relax, and talk to her, and let her talk back, chew with your mouth closed and run your seduction game.

                Ok some of you I know are saying "well I can't talk I don't know what to talk about, what if she doesn't talk back!" Well I am going to give you about 20 things to talk about as you do your 3 influence keys. Just hold on.

                Now on to the 3 keys and how to work them in to conversations and interactions without her noticing it.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dosh View Post
                  Gunwitch,

                  Two minor nerd points, and please don't take this is as criticism, it's just a couple things that popped to mind as I was reading:


                  1. Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) machines typically capture structural images and to my knowledge could not be used to study chemical changes in the brain. Positron Emission Tomography (PET) machines would likely be used. However I am not a neurologist and don't speak with authority here, so I could be wrong.


                  2. To claim a scientific basis for these conclusions, it would be good to site sources. I can of course look this stuff up on my own, but it would be more convenient if you could add footnotes of where you found the information. Again, I'm not disputing, but whenever you use the "s" word (science), eyebrows will be raised without sources, and it makes it easy for the reader to look more deeply into topics.
                  ugggh criticism always drowns out praise, even if you emphatically deny it is. But thanks for the praise........ I guess. Wanna talk emotional stimulation, tell a "writer" that his work is awesome but it sucks in some way lol.

                  Anyhow to your points. The MRI thing was from a study. I didn't make any of this stuff up. It isn't some "how I see things" text. I'm not sure when/where the study was done/the availability of a PET scan etc. But I didn't confuse the two, it was MRI alone. I don't believe they were studying chemical changes, but the neural activity changes brought on by the chemical changes in the Limbic system. I am assuming as much, they never mentioned it. But for example if the study was on the neural changes when viewing photographs, I would just assume that the people would be looking at images that would have some stimulation factor. Same in this study, it was on arousal so chemical processes would be taking place, not quick snappy thought alone. This assumption doesn't dirty the result in some way either, because the result followed the overall science, not any model of mine.

                  On the second point, this stuff is all verified science I am presenting to you basically as a convenience. "cite your sources" sort of is like saying that you're not wanting to look all of it up yourself, because its boring and non specific purpose (picking up women) related. That is why I did that for you/the community. I didn't meticulously record all the literature I read, it wasn't for a term paper and I didn't think anyone would call the validity of any of it in to question because...

                  It would be absurd for me to make all this stuff up (or more so build a faulty model), when you could google all of it and find out I was just talking out my ass lol. It took me about maybe 10 hours total, but I knew where to start also from years of neurological study. You can also google all of it, or portions of it at random and find out that there are sources for all of the concepts.

                  None of these are my original ideas, it is scientifically how attraction as a broad term works, via arousal, stimulation and decision making processes. While one can dispute my methods of interacting with that system and my own personal ideals and goals, the way it works is "out there", if someone is so inclined they can come to these same conclusions with the same searching.



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                  • #24
                    Thanks for going through the extra effort Gunwitch. And thanks to everyone else, I'll have to put some of the advice in practice.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dosh View Post
                      EDIT: Gunwitch I straight up apologize. Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) is in fact a method to study neurological function (including responses to external stimuli) through bloodflow and other techniques. I completely spoke out of line and am sorry if I appeared to be trolling.

                      Here's the wikipedia article on NMRI which clearly states it can be used to study neurological response to external stimuli.

                      Hey no worries, 100% knew you weren't trolling. I was feeling good-natured in the "ugggh" response at start. I didn't take any of it badly.

                      I was certain by memory it was an MRI in the study I read about. Not the actual study even, but an article about the study. Another area where citation starts to go out the window because you can find so much information online now that is an article about a study about a study even at times.

                      The confusion sort of proved your second point though, citation is helpful if one wants to delve in to any specifics of machines used, any unusual techniques, control groups, demographics of subjects etc, vs the plain results and conclusions. Now it is sort of a spilled milk situation at this point though for me, cause I didn't bother to take the notes (being it was for an audio, I figured the disclaimer that none of it was my own research was good enough to not take undue credit/accolade) and surely am not inclined to delve back in to that internet rabbit hole anytime soon. Perhaps when I put up my new website/"re-open" I will go through the studies and look them up again, and make an ending note. It surely wouldn't be as time consuming as reading it all again, and would have a more legitimate touch. It wasn't a bad suggestion by any means.



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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Gunwitch View Post
                        ugggh criticism always drowns out praise, even if you emphatically deny it is
                        Gun, This whole big post of yours really sucks. There I won’t have to worry about being accused of sucking up now.

                        I had some questions about what Immersion was and such, but doing a little google searching I see that many of the terms are part of your system. So asking about it might be even more asking you to give away the store.

                        Still since you brought it all here. . . .

                        Talking of the three ingredients, it would seem that a guy who had some success with Sedfast’s general ideas already, he would have a fair idea how to get over any social hurdles. If he has the balls to do it, he should have a pretty good idea of the tools to get sexual arousal. So it would seem to me that the emotional stimulation would be the weakest or most difficult part for men to grasp.

                        Would you agree?

                        Which is really just a leading question to encourage more discussion of just what you mean by emotional stimulation and how it is done.
                        Great ideas in there, even if I said it sucks.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Gunwitch View Post
                          Giving away the store here, but this will soon be on a free website of mine anyway, from a course I had out a while back.

                          Want in detail?

                          This was an audio called "the science behind it all" which is based on stuff that is basically "Gunwitch method 2013".

                          This is an audio transcript, with no editing, and no spell checking, and bypasses the hook phase of a cold approach, but you asked for precise attraction defined, so here it is:
                          ___________________________________


                          Before we gets started on base influence for post immersion,


                          I am now going to go in to the latest science and research in female psychology, and human neurology in general. I don't want you questioning how any of this works, I want you to be able to fully understand, without looking in a human brain anyway, how these processes are happening, so you don't doubt them and can apply them more appropriately in an overall synergy.

                          And then like I just said, in the later audio sections I am going to explain how this all fits in to the influence mindset, understandings and toolbox a pickup artist should be carrying in 2013.





                          Now on to the science of what you will be learning in the influence section.


                          Everyone in the pickup scene as of 2013 is all about "fun fun fun" "have fun and girls just fall in your lap" is the order of the day. Women have gotten easier in general to pick up vs say 2001. Not just for me, I am self aware of that, I am talking in general with all hook ups. On the whole "I don't wanna be seen as a slut" mindset, so you get less last minute resistance and objections to going home with you during a heated sexual vibe,. However it isn't all candyland everyone hooking up easy as pie, everyone gets laid world out there.
                          This fun fun fun stuff is coming from experienced guys in social frame and sexual arousal , if you just epiphany of the month go out and have fun, great you emotionally stimulate the chick to varied degrees, but if you aren't sub communicating sexual congruence and if the frame gets away from you, your success rate becomes nil. FUN FUN FUN can be great to get attention, and even as deep of attention as you can get in clubs, but then you need to fill in the other 2/3 of the attraction sphere somehow.
                          More than that problem though, you need to get her paying further attention to you other than "that fun guy in the club who did that thing with the lighter".
                          You have to get her fully focused on you, then later immerse her fully in the interaction with you.


                          But what are those other 2/3s?

                          Well right now, before I even get in to the science, you need to understand that there is no such thing as attraction.

                          I am going to call it influence, because as I said on other items, there is too much knee jerk thought that comes with attraction as a word. You see guys with tans and big white teeth, you see men doing back turn spins in feather hats and women chasing them, you see cave people smelling each others asses, god knows, but lets just say it has too much baggage for most guys at a language to thought level.

                          Also attraction DOESN'T EXIST. At a neurological level, there is no such quantifiable thing as attraction. We will get in to the hard science of this later. Again there is no neurological phantom called attraction. There is decision making processes to either fuck, or not fuck you, that is based on 3 components:

                          Sexual arousal.

                          Social frame.

                          &

                          Emotional stimulation.

                          It is easy enough to see the truth of this if you recall any woman you ever fucked, and see how these 3 things were accomplished, or which were missing as rare as that is.


                          About 90% of the game post immersion is the key 3 fighting each other. THIS IS a magic bullet, there IS a magic bullet in the community, the thing is it isn't just some line or technique it is a magic bullet of solid game with all 3 keys in place in every interaction:

                          Lets take a look at some examples of 2 keys in place with one missing for example.

                          Sexual arousal and emotional stimulation minus social frame.

                          you walk up and tell her you think she is the sexiest fuckin woman you have ever seen, and you want to pull her underwear off with your teeth and eat her cunt all night long, with deep eye contact sexual voice and supreme confidence. You just majorly sexually aroused her and emotionally stimulated her, AND TOTALLY fucking RUINED the social frame in to a knee jerk response you won't recover from. Again women don't want to be accountable for the sex happening, or be a "slut", you just put the social frame in to knee jerk territory of "no I can't" mentality.


                          Sexual arousal and social frame minus Emotional stimulation.

                          You go up and you project masculine sexual dominance, and control the frame, she thinks you are a cool guy, people she knows would really like you, you are socially acceptable and all, and you are the most boring fuckin guy she has ever met, its like James Bond without the wit or charm, right there in the dance club. Some frat boy walks up, sticks his fists up as if to fight, picks her up and runs off with her laughing and screaming, he then sets her down, with everyone clapping and cheering, she is bashfully smiling and he gives her deep eye contact and kisses her.


                          Social frame and Emotional stimulation minus sexual arousal.

                          You approach her and say "hey you know I think I have that very same top at home" she laughs, you rainbow ruse her and she is amazed, wow fuck this guy really is fun, her friend comes over and says "hey are you trying to pick up my friend" and you say "of course not, im trying to pick up the both of you, but im not sure you could handle me two on 1, do you have any more friends?" she laughs and shuts up and leaves you to her friend, you take the friend out to the smoking area, you have a deep conversation about what it means to really be in love, destiny of meeting, how one little thing could change everything in the course of your life and hold you back from true love and fulfillment. You get back to your place to listen to some music , you try to kiss her and and she says "I really like you but I don't think of you like that, I mean you're a really cool guy, and I already have feelings for you, but i'm just not attracted to you, I mean you haven't touched me all night, you talk a million miles an hour, you barely look me in the eye, you make me feel like my kid brother did, he was so much fun" Of course she doesn't say the last part, she is just getting a lack of memory signals that you are a fuckable guy.

                          The game is a 3 legged table of attraction phase: social frame, sexual arousal, emotional stimulation. 3 Keys.

                          Miss a key you lose a knee. You fall over.

                          As we talked about in universal understandings relaxation of course is new guys learning curve before ANY of this, all 3 keys require relaxation of mind and body pace, and outcome. This can be helped along with some method acting and exercises, and some realizations about rejection and the need to be in field etc, but mostly it comes from just approaching lots of women and getting use to it, bottom line. However you can be fully 100% relaxed with hot women, and if you fail to get the big 3 going, you will just be a faceless figure standing there to her psychology. Who then suddenly tries to get sexual and make a move.

                          You can have only 2 going and manage a pickup it would seem of course. Like in the case of cavemanning a chick, going up, getting super sexual and trying to close her. You at least have a CHANCE without social frame under right circumstances, as in "cavemanning" etc. They COULD intellectually take your boldness as a vastly superior social frame, actually consciously though that is. as in "wow this guy is so honest and direct and not full of shit, he is the real deal."

                          That's 1 in 100 times. So there really is no order of importance for the 3 keys, except in execution first to set the interaction as you want it to end up, sexual not social. So you start projecting the sexual and stimulating the emotional right away, as in attention and immersion.



                          Like we talked in universal understandings, The game is not money, that's why she cheats with the limo driver. The game is not looks, that's why the best looking guys aren't all banging 10s, hell some a lot worse than average even. The game is not some massive evolutionary gambit where you merely over and over demonstrate survival and replication value to her social frame. The game is NOT woowoo state projection to the 500th level of bhudist mental control. The game is not conditioning processes like training a dog.

                          All of these things are one legged tables, that is why none of these systems of thought or conceptual frameworks or seduction methods yield more than chance levels of success, even when done perfectly.

                          The game is these 3 factors, sexual arousal, emotional stimulation, and social frame, combined and influencing her decision making process to fuck you or not, that simple.

                          Beyond that just proper venue specific tactics are needed.


                          There are about 5 different sexual arousal cycle models and theories in neurology, but they all pretty much agree based on MRI evidence that primarily in women the Amygdala, a part of the brain which in a sense interprets stimulus for our mind, isn't as strongly activated by visual images, but is more stimulated by emotions and memory. Simply, women aren't as turned on by looking at a guys abs, as they are by emotions and memories.

                          We should all know this, it isn't insane theory of some sort it is as I said from MRI machines. The insane theories REALLY are for one example some of the material on evolutionary psychology that comes from guys on survival and replication, which is more closely based on Scientology models than current neuroscience. Women DO NOT sit and subconsciously judge "value" survival and replication wise and then once enough threshold has been met, become attracted then aroused, in fact they sit and judge SOCIAL value at a conscious intellectual screening level, and then weigh it against arousal and emotional stimulation to form an overall picture of their attraction to you.

                          Again the arousal mechanism can be measured in their limbic system on an MRI machine. What does this tell us about sexual arousal then and what we can do to stimulate sexual arousal? Well simply put stop working your abs, again, women aren't men, start being congruent to her memory with someone she would be aroused by, AND emotionally stimulate her sexually.

                          Aside from that as well, the corpus callosum, pretty much the tissue that separates the left from right brain and sends signals between the two has differences in men and women.

                          A womans corpus callosum in most cases and most research, shows vast differences in how strongly women get signals between the left and right brain. Again we didn't need scientific backing to say that women experience emotion and associative memory stronger than men, and even enjoy experiencing negative emotions fully, rather than repressing them.

                          Feminists would of course say this is all because of evil men, with the same exact brains, telling women they have to be emotional, yadayadayada. The truth is though that in any culture these neurological differences are there, and significant. Men are crazy for boobies, and women are fuckin nutts. In simplest terms. We wants physical traits, they also want physical traits, but they are also massively susceptible to emotional and memory based influence that we aren't to near the same degree. This is why we don't understand how to do it naturally.

                          Again emotion and this associative memory are what cause more arousal in women than visual cues alone. If you bore her sexually, and aren't congruent in her memory with a man she would have sex with, and have the body of a Greek god, you will probably still strike out in seducing her. To illustrate this two blind dates:

                          Man A arrives and looks like a male celebrity, cut abs, chiseled face, she becomes instantly mildly sexually aroused, as women do from this level of visual stimulus. Over the course of the date he remains totally neutral emotional stimulation wise and social frame wise. At the end of the night she just isn't attracted, and he doesn't do much to make things happen, they go their separate ways.

                          Man B arrives and looks like an average guy, she isn't knee jerk put off social frame wise, I mean she wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen with him kissing her in public, but she also isn't knee jerk visually aroused or anything. Over the course of the night he gives her deep eye contact, he speaks to her slow and low, almost as if they are already lovers, he tells her things about herself that are spot on, its like he already knows her, he describes how his female friend once fell in love with a man on vacation in Spain, he makes a sexual joke so no one else can hear it, that is just spot on and funny, and he doesn't even realize it gets her thinking about sex, he is a really good listener too, they have really connected, she feels there is something really there and she is working towards it. Ok lets get star trek geek here, her Amygdala is taking in memory of sexual arousal, via his eye contact and sexual tone, and touching of her hand, the memory is, SOMEONE SHE HAS ALREADY FUCKED practically, he is "as if" he is already a lover to her memory, this starts sending arousal signals out which increase sex hormone levels.

                          All this congruency of association in her memory, coupled with her language processing centers strongly converting the story and the joke in to FELT emotions of love and sex via the difference in the corpus callosum, and it's the same as if you or I were sitting there staring at a bikini models thighs in the sun. This is all verifiable science. Again, learn to influence women with behavior and words, stop working on your abs or the paint job on your car.

                          Differences in how her limbic system is processing all of this information, and how ours would process visual stimulation are fairly reversed. The difference in the corpus callosum, allows her amygdala to send out signals via stored associated memory and emotional stimulation that end up in the nucleus accumbens, the pleasure center of the brain. This is how choice making is done, this is what "motivation" and "attraction" are at a neurological level. Combined with the fact that this new interaction is stressful on some levels, her body has started to release what are called Glucocorticoids as a reaction. These prime the nucleus accumbens to receive and be sensitive to dopamine, the main neurotrasmitter responsible for feeling good and having desires.

                          What I will show you in a bit is how to do this and then how to short circuit her good sense and social frame so she acts on it instead of fighting it intellectually.


                          Of course an average looking woman could seduce us with the same sequence. It would have to look different though. Because of the difference in the corpus callosum, as the typical male, our ingrained memories of what is sexually arousing behavior wise, and our processing of language or behavior that is emotionally simulating don't effect our pleasure centers to near the same degree as they do hers. However we are told that we are, and conditioned that we are in sexual scarcity vs abundance, so we would with the minimal emotional stimulation and sexual arousal, still have sex with this boring looking average woman, out of pure perceived lack of abundance. On the same token she wouldn't likely even try to seduce us, because she is told by society at an intellectual social frame level she doesn't have to, and to do so would make her an outcasted slut, so that's fairly unusual for a woman to use influence techniques like this.



                          All that said of course the actor looking guy could on the blind date, could have just engaged in fairly interesting chumpy conversation, and made a strong effort to close her at the end of the night and banged her. I mean women do enjoy sex, and if she is mildly aroused by his look, and not bored to death by the conversation, and he is socially acceptable for just being a neutral non weird or chumpy guy, she wants some dick, if he also takes accountability for the sex happening, the ultimate social frame, he just turned in to a prize for the night.

                          Hey what do you want from me, I just explained how you can as an average guy bang hot women here, with no state pumping, no positive thinking, this is all science, all verifiable. That is the best I can do for you haha. A really socially ideal, handsome man can fuck hot women if he makes a little effort. An average guy can fuck really hot women if he uses the proper influence skills. I can't make it harder for a great looking guy to get a woman aroused easier using his looks as one of his gambits. Some solace can be taken though in the fact that the arousal plateau phase will always be a problem for great looking guys who can turn a woman on initially, but then if they aren't aware that they need to keep escalating physically the woman will lose the arousal. Where we knowing what we are doing can amp it and keep it burning longer and more on demand. That is as you get experienced with the techniques anyway, at first you will just throw them out there and hit or miss get them to work.

                          Lets look at if from the other side. You being knee jerk ugly to her social criteria will also fuck you up, but not arousal wise, more at a social frame level. You being knee jerk ugly is almost the same as if say the Channing Tatum looking model guy from the first date started farting all through dinner, loudly and chewin with his mouth open. Even though he has her aroused mildly via his looks, and mildly emotionally stimulated by interesting chump talk, he just blew the social frame so far to the left that to correct it and get the sphere of attraction working on his side again, he would have to probably run all the material you would, plus probably claim the farts and chewing with his mouth open were a joke and he wouldn't do it again, aka "I wont embarrass you in front of your friends and family, that was a one time misguided thing."

                          So in a nutt shell it isn't either or, good looking guys, or guys with game who get the girl, who vs style match up! Both do, both don't. You can see this just by taking a look around without the science. Misguided pickup methods fail to recognize all 3 factors and the students suck. Good looking men have no influence skills and don't make effort to escalate and end up with average or even ugly women who choose them.

                          On a side note of some amusement is that women report the same level of arousal from visual stimulation as men, but it isn't measurable. In these studies the researchers are baffled by this of course, because they aren't sexist enough to realize that girls just wanna play in the tree fort with the boys too. They are lying for social frame purposes. The same as they will hoot and yell at a male stripper taking his clothes off, but let him run off stage and try to suck on her tits ahahahah. Now imagine if a female stripper comes off stage and starts blowing a guy? Big duh there. We don't need strong science to see the social frame at play at all.

                          Arousal isn't fully achieved by visual stimulation or full turned off by lack of visual stimulation in women, and CAN be fully achieved by congruent behavior/memory anchors, for lack of a better term, and emotional stimulation. That is the golden rule. Repeat that sentence 20 times until it is burned in to your brain, it is THE golden role of seducing women and being a PUA, ALL successful pickups and seductions must have arousal as the FIRST tier of influence, and then and only then is controlling the social frame, and emotionally stimulating her even a factor. Yep you can if you are a bona fide man hottie use social frame only style methods that are out there and have success, sure enough, but then you get entire forums full of guys who aren't good looking, attempting to get hot women in bed using these ONLY social frame methods, which can bore her, and can leave her totally unaroused sexually, in which the woman is supposed to be made to chase them. ANGRY forums full of men exist because of this, some for good reason, they wasted a lot of their time leaving out important factors of attraction.

                          What preceded was NOT a conceptual framework or model of the world, or map of the territory etc etc etc. It WAS THE territory and is neuro science as of 2013. Enough with the weird survival and replication theories, enough with the "all women care about is looks" crapola, and enough with the woo woo "if you feel it they will come!" mind jobs.

                          Lets get to work on post immersion.

                          Once we have her sitting there waiting to be "attracted" "influenced" "seduced" "swept off her feet" "taken for a ride" whatever you wanna call it.


                          We of course get to work on the 3 key factors right away as much as we can in the interaction with her.

                          A caveat, sometimes you will just be talking back and forth like normal people!

                          Again sometimes you will just be talking back and forth like normal people!

                          Don't be a weirdo, don't start squirming and making weird nerd noises anytime the interaction isn't allowing for you to be using influence techniques, calm down, relax, enjoy her company, and slip in the following influence techniques to 1. Keep her immersed and 2. emotionally stimulate, sexually arouse, and socially frame yourself as desirable.


                          Now before we start a quick word the word rapport as is commonly used in the seduction community.

                          There really is no rapport phase, there is continued vibe, then more in depth conversation that you can emotionally stimulate inside of AS a further attraction technique, but mostly you just keep social frame, and sexually vibe strong and stronger. Unless you've never fucked a woman, or are a psychopath or something you know how to do this, 4 and 5 hours or explanation of this is absurd in some programs.

                          Rapport is just you talking for a prolonged amount of time until you both become comfortable, actual techniques for this are a waste of time. This is better achieved in the immersion stage of the cold approach at a base level like we already have done, and then allowed to come naturally from basic conversation in between your influence techniques. A specific focus on rapport is like using a chainsaw to cut a toothpick in half, we aren't selling her a car she doesn't wanna buy, we are having a conversation and trying to get her wanting to fuck us. We are making friends with her and making sure she is also sexually turned on by us. A simple test of if you have a problem with "rapport" is to ask a person make or female you work with out for a drink, then assume there is a rapport, and talk to them and get to know them over the course of the night. If you end up in rapport, no problem, this will probably be 90% of people you would go out with if you are at all normal.

                          See it's only the immersion and initial sexual sub communication, and getting her fixed and speaking to you that is a problem and barrier to rapport. Rapport without the "cold aspect" of the approach is just making friends with people. Even though people are more and more socially disconnected, and have less and less real life friends, everyone has had a few, or at least met a new family member and ended up talking to them and getting to know them for the first time and building a rapport. There is nothing to building rapport, but just assuming it will happen and acting as if it is already there. The same applied post immersion, just relax, and talk to her, and let her talk back, chew with your mouth closed and run your seduction game.

                          Ok some of you I know are saying "well I can't talk I don't know what to talk about, what if she doesn't talk back!" Well I am going to give you about 20 things to talk about as you do your 3 influence keys. Just hold on.

                          Now on to the 3 keys and how to work them in to conversations and interactions without her noticing it.
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                          Gun
                          This is only half the picture, sure social frame, emotional stimulation and physical arousal are good 'sales' tactics but you still need to have an appealing 'product' strategy.

                          Your success rate will increase by creating an ATTRACTIVE image which includes:

                          - Grooming
                          - Fitness
                          - Fashion
                          - Personality
                          - Confidence

                          Here's a study done which shows men with certain characteristics are more attractive to women.

                          https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...y-finish-first

                          Remember: Women can't control who they are attracted to (product) but they can control how they act on that attraction (sales).

                          For fast seduction you need both.

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                          • #28
                            "Perhaps at the end of the day the allure comes down to a few positive traits (e.g., confidence, honest display of sexual intentions with no beating around the bush, creativity, non-neediness, a fun and exciting persona) and mating skills (e.g., cross-sex mind reading). "

                            That article was a good read, thanks.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by cactus eyes View Post
                              "Perhaps at the end of the day the allure comes down to a few positive traits (e.g., confidence, honest display of sexual intentions with no beating around the bush, creativity, non-neediness, a fun and exciting persona) and mating skills (e.g., cross-sex mind reading). "

                              That article was a good read, thanks.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Assman View Post
                                This is only half the picture, sure social frame, emotional stimulation and physical arousal are good 'sales' tactics but you still need to have an appealing 'product' strategy.

                                Your success rate will increase by creating an ATTRACTIVE image which includes:

                                - Grooming
                                - Fitness
                                - Fashion
                                - Personality
                                - Confidence

                                Here's a study done which shows men with certain characteristics are more attractive to women.
                                Yeah but everyone already knows those things, it's a no brainer. I am talking about the science of cold approach pickup, decision making process in the brain, and assuming someone doesn't need a mens health article about brushing their teeth and not being 400 lbs.

                                I could also go on for 75 pages or 3 hours about inner game and confidence, but there is a mass overabundance of that in the community. WAY MORE so there is a MAAAAASSSSSS overabundance in the world of "wear nice clothes and brush your teeth and don't be 400 lbs" duuuuhhh shit.

                                The above is part of my course on basically "advanced outer game". Which was SEVERELY lacking in the community. I didn't want to beat people over the head with the idea they need a better pair of pants or to lose that "last 50 lbs". Or even worse woo woo "be THAT GUY!", blech. My students and fans are a bit older in community and a bit more advanced than that.


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