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    If a woman gets a man to invest while she withholds sex, then the man grows increasingly more attached, while the woman remains completely unattached - and even moves further away from attachment, as she loses ever more respect for the supplicating man under her thumb.

    That is her optimal strategy to get attention, validation, material provision... basically everything a woman really cares about. Except for sex, which is NOT a conscious goal for most women, but (if we leave out its emotional aspects) something between fun distraction to liability, and can be satisfied by various other means.

    Truly, this is the perfect feminine strategy, the only question is whether a woman is hot enough to pull it off.

    It's the anti-slut strategy.

    A slut is a woman who is not hot enough to get men to invest while withholding sex. She has to put out, or the men leave. When a woman is accused by other women of being a slut, the direct accusation is her ruining other women's high-status, high-return, sex-withholding game with her short-sighted, low-return, immature and/or weak inability to forgo sex. Underneath that though hides the insult that the slut isn't attractive and high-status enough to pull the sex-withholding strategy off successfully, so she just petulantly ruins it for other women, stuffing her face with much smaller, temporary, short-term gains.

    I'd go so far as to claim that when women accuse each other of slutiness, sexual drive simply isn't part of the discussion. Women are aware that some among them have higher sexual drive, they're not accusing each other of fucking a lot of guys. They are just expected to do so in the proper way, that doesn't compromise their sisters' sexual strategy:

    1. Discretely.
    2. With alphas. Basically, women defined a minority of males as sexual providers, and allowed each other to fuck that group. As long as rule #1 isn't broken, so the betas don't grow sour. You can fuck as many verified alphas as you want as long as nobody else knows, and you omit them from your "official" laycount. The only other no-no is if the alpha is in a committed LTR which the woman KNOWS about (if he took off his ring and accepted the burden of cheating, you're totally in the clear).
    3. No-strings-attached. Trying to get commitment by providing sex is a no-no, it's one of the clearest signs that you are a slut. Obviously you're not allowed to have sex to try to get a relationship from a beta; that just ruins the beta - hence rule #2. Alphas are for discrete, ideally ONS sex. Even being long-term regular FBs with an alpha is somewhat frowned upon from an anti-slut perspective - it's a move in the wrong direction, sexual-strategy-wise.

    I've known the above for quite a while, and it's posing some problems for me as I try to transition to non-ONS and longer retention game. Fast escalation is a way to self-identify as an alpha. Assuming your game is smooth, she will either accept your offer of NSA sex or she won't, which is a direct result of her sexual state and has NOTHING to do with "the type of man she likes" or any other high-minded concepts and difficult-to-surmount obstacles.

    The idea that women are more picky than men is a Disney mythology. They are less visual, and most of their stated preferences matter little, especially when it's just sex. The only question is whether she wants get fucked by an alpha RIGHT NOW.

    A woman may say she likes tall, handsome men with thick blond bird and blue eyes. And maybe she does, to the extent she'll fawn over the image of one on a magazine cover. But if she's looking for alpha sex, she will fuck a short, ugly, slightly overweight guy, as long as he satisfies the three conditions above. She will do so with less difficulty and more satisfaction than a man st to fuck a fatty.

    That's why it's so easy to get sex by coming across alpha, for example with fast-escalation. That's where I am right now. I can get sex, but no emotional commitment.

    So here's the final insight of this post.

    You know the Disney fantasy about how women are generous with their emotions, while guarded with their sex?

    The reality is the OPPOSITE.

    Sex for women is NOTHING. It's a biological need, like defecating. Every once in a while they get the urge, and are generally free to satisfy it, as long as they don't violate the 3-ruled sister code above.

    The Disney myth is designed to make orbiters feel good: Yeah, this woman you are orbiting LOVES YOU, she just won't have sex with you, since you know, sex is a BIG DEAL for women. It's the NEXT BIG STEP, you're not there yet, you're just a FRIEND at the EMOTIONAL level. But who knows, if you just keep INVESTING...

    Reality: if you're "just friends" with a woman, you are NOTHING to her. She won't fuck you even when she needs it because that violates the rules above: you are in her social circle so it's not discrete (especially as you'll probably get needy post-sex and broadcast drama), you're a beta, and it's not really NSA and instantly destructible when you are a part of her life.

    For women, there are 3 degrees of increasing importance:

    1. "Just friends" - orbiters.
    2. Sexual providers.
    3. A man she loves.

    The first group is absolutely meaningless. Women have ZERO sympathy, empathy, or caring towards their orbiters, they can all just die in a fire, she will shed a few dramatic tears to keep up social appearances but actually feel nothing. Women like to have multiple layers of fallback safeties around them. They can feel anxious and exposed if they have no orbiters, but as long as they have enough of them, each individual orbiter doesn't matter in the least. Each i totally disposable and interchangeable, about as important as the 1001th fastest sperm racing to fertilize her egg. He's there to make sure that if something terribly unfortunate happens to the 1000 fastest sperms, her egg will still get fertilized. (Of course, in that case the egg is still fucked, and she knows it and will do absolutely everything in her power to prevent it; your odds of ever landing a quality women as an orbiter are comparable to those of the sperm).

    Sexual providers can die in a fire right after they finish servicing her sexually. They're often not too bad of a choice to get pregnant from, in or out of a relationship with another man - especially when they're physically attractive.

    The 3rd group is tricky though. That's the only group that actually controls women. They hold them by their proverbial balls: their EMOTIONS.

    So women are fairly free with their sex, but EXTREMELY guarded with their emotions. Their emotions are their demonic real names, the lever to bind and control them. Once you control a woman's emotions, you have real power over her, she is helpless. She will do the craziest shit for you without batting an eye.

    Right now, I know how to get sex, but not how to get them to invest emotionally. It's a lot harder than I thought.

    In general, you will observe that women are far better sexual strategists than men. They are better at taking care of their needs, and getting what they want from men and relationships with them. I mean, most men don't even know all I just wrote above... How ridiculous is that?!

    So far, I've been playing into women's game, by their rules, acting as a discrete, disposable sex-provider. Women used me, I was a cog in their system. Of course, I got fast sex out of the arrangement. But now I want more, more than women would optimally provide me. That's a lot more challenging, since I am now working against actual resistance, to get more than my assigned share, instead of slipping into an approved, mutually beneficial, prescribed role in a play written by women.
    Last edited by Tarzan; 05-15-2015, 08:34 PM.

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    Originally posted by Tarzan View Post
    If a woman gets a man to invest while she withholds sex, then the man grows increasingly more attached,
    If he's an unattractive beta male loser.

    while the woman remains completely unattached - and even moves further away from attachment, as she loses ever more respect for the supplicating man under her thumb.
    Correct!

    That is her optimal strategy to get attention, validation, material provision...
    From beta male losers!

    basically everything a woman really cares about. Except for sex, which is NOT a conscious goal for most women, but (if we leave out its emotional aspects) something between fun distraction to liability, and can be satisfied by various other means.
    This is where my three types of women philosophy comes in handy! Women are NOT as prudish as you think. Some are (Type Is), most are in public and with betas (Type IIs), and some are not (Type IIIs).

    Truly, this is the perfect feminine strategy,
    For beta male losers and alpha 1.0 slut shaming cavemen!

    the only question is whether a woman is hot enough to pull it off.

    It's the anti-slut strategy.

    A slut is a woman who is not hot enough to get men to invest while withholding sex. She has to put out, or the men leave.
    This is where we start to strongly disagree. There are women who are super hot who act like massive "sluts" not because they're ugly, and therefore, can't pull off gold digger game, but rather because they have no sincere interest in enslaving men. These super hot "sluts" are super horny and want to be bathed in semen! For them, sex is their reward and they are very happy with making their own money and using men for sex or an emotional connection only.

    Yes, I suppose there are ugly women out there with gold digger tendencies who have to become "sluts" instead because they are not hot enough to pull off gold digger game, but you are falsely assuming that every woman WANTS to be a gold digger and has a low sex drive, thus inferring that ugly women are "slutty" while hot women are not. Correction: Ugly gold diggers are "slutty" while hot gold diggers are not. But you have to be a gold digger first. If she's not a gold digger, than she can be ugly and promiscuous or super hot and equally promiscuous.

    But to assume that every sexually liberated woman must be ugly because if she were hot she'd be a gold digger is to make two false assumptions:

    1. That all women are gold diggers at heart
    2. That every ugly girl who is sexually enlightened is a failed gold digger, because it can't be because some women love sex!

    Both assumptions are false. There are hot women who are even more promiscuous than ugly women because they don't want a man's money. They are just super horny all the time. Is that hard to believe?

    When a woman is accused by other women of being a slut, the direct accusation is her ruining other women's high-status, high-return, sex-withholding game with her short-sighted, low-return, immature and/or weak inability to forgo sex.
    Yes, because these gold diggers make the same false assumption that you just made - that all women are gold diggers at heart, thus leading to the conclusion that sexual liberation is a sign of low self esteem and a lack of self discipline. But this is a M/W assumption that, for some reason, you're buying into!

    Underneath that though hides the insult that the slut isn't attractive and high-status enough to pull the sex-withholding strategy off successfully, so she just petulantly ruins it for other women, stuffing her face with much smaller, temporary, short-term gains.
    That's true for the ugly "slut" who indeed wishes she could be hot enough to be a gold digger, but that's not true for the ugly "slut" who just wants great cock, nor is it true for the hot "slut" who just wants great cock! I assure you, those women exist. I'm dating one right now.

    I'd go so far as to claim that when women accuse each other of slutiness, sexual drive simply isn't part of the discussion. Women are aware that some among them have higher sexual drive, they're not accusing each other of fucking a lot of guys. They are just expected to do so in the proper way, that doesn't compromise their sisters' sexual strategy:
    This is very true.

    But the underlying philosophical assumption is that it would be wrong to compromise the sexual strategy of her "sisters." This false assumption is based on the feminine notion of communitarianism, as distinguished from individualism. It is the "sisterhood" myth that gold diggers have created which obliges women to assist other women in their gold digging due to a non-existent communal bonding ritual that benefits gold diggers and is a pain in the ass to both male seducers and sexually liberated females alike.

    This is why one of the goals of the larger Manosphere is to smash the sisterhood and bring the philosophy of individualism to women, thus allowing men and women to finally relate to each other on an equal level.

    Women don't owe other women anything, unless we're talking about relatives or close friends.

    1. Discretely.
    This is a rule all women follow, but for different reasons. If she is closer to being a Type I, she follows it because, like you said, she doesn't want the betas to drop their tools and start demanding sex for free as well. If she's closer to a Type III, she just doesn't want to be judged. Either way, this is a necessary rule.

    2. With alphas. Basically, women defined a minority of males as sexual providers, and allowed each other to fuck that group. As long as rule #1 isn't broken, so the betas don't grow sour. You can fuck as many verified alphas as you want as long as nobody else knows, and you omit them from your "official" laycount. The only other no-no is if the alpha is in a committed LTR which the woman KNOWS about (if he took off his ring and accepted the burden of cheating, you're totally in the clear).
    But women steal each other's boyfriends all the time, or at least sleep with them. My girlfriend has recently found herself a fuck buddy who is happily monogamously married. Truly sexually liberated individualists (Type IIIs) don't give a fuck about any pathetic "sisterhood." But they still practice discretion because they have no choice, until the matriarchy is overthrown.

    3. No-strings-attached. Trying to get commitment by providing sex is a no-no, it's one of the clearest signs that you are a slut.
    Actually, many Type IIs and even Type Is practice this bait and switch strategy all the time. They lavish the man with sex so that he thinks she is the perfect woman. Then he agrees to marry her because he is dizzy with the smell of her pussy. Then, after the wedding, she becomes frigid, because his money and the marriage itself are seen by her as a compensation for all the sex she gave him (as if she is a generous lesbian who needs compensation for sex). It's an effective strategy used by gold diggers upon beta males and alpha male 1.0s

    Obviously you're not allowed to have sex to try to get a relationship from a beta; that just ruins the beta - hence rule #2.
    No, not if he's so grateful that he "puts a ring on it."

    Alphas are for discrete, ideally ONS sex. Even being long-term regular FBs with an alpha is somewhat frowned upon from an anti-slut perspective - it's a move in the wrong direction, sexual-strategy-wise.
    Here you're just projecting. The sisterhood doesn't see anything wrong with having hot sex with an alpha on a regular basis, as long as its discrete so the betas don't drop their work tools or start thinking that free sex is a thing. Indeed, the sisterhood doesn't see anything wrong with cheating on your beta boyfriend on a regular basis with a hot alpha, as long as it is discrete and the beta's purity fantasy is not interrupted.

    Some women even marry alpha 1.0s and allow them to sleep with other women on the side as long as he is discrete about it and doesn't humiliate her in front of her "sisters."

    And don't forget about the individual female intellectuals (Type IIIs) who don't care about any of this collectivist/Marxist sisterhood garbage and only follow the discretion rule out of necessity.

    I've known the above for quite a while, and it's posing some problems for me as I try to transition to non-ONS and longer retention game. Fast escalation is a way to self-identify as an alpha.
    It's also a way to get only an ONS. Try some extra comfort building next time.

    Assuming your game is smooth, she will either accept your offer of NSA sex or she won't, which is a direct result of her sexual state and has NOTHING to do with "the type of man she likes" or any other high-minded concepts and difficult-to-surmount obstacles.

    The idea that women are more picky than men is a Disney mythology. They are less visual, and most of their stated preferences matter little, especially when it's just sex. The only question is whether she wants get fucked by an alpha RIGHT NOW.

    A woman may say she likes tall, handsome men with thick blond bird and blue eyes. And maybe she does, to the extent she'll fawn over the image of one on a magazine cover. But if she's looking for alpha sex, she will fuck a short, ugly, slightly overweight guy, as long as he satisfies the three conditions above. She will do so with less difficulty and more satisfaction than a man st to fuck a fatty.
    Very true!

    That's why it's so easy to get sex by coming across alpha, for example with fast-escalation. That's where I am right now. I can get sex, but no emotional commitment.

    So here's the final insight of this post.

    You know the Disney fantasy about how women are generous with their emotions, while guarded with their sex?

    The reality is the OPPOSITE.

    Sex for women is NOTHING. It's a biological need, like defecating. Every once in a while they get the urge, and are generally free to satisfy it, as long as they don't violate the 3-ruled sister code above.
    Yes, with the caveat that you're describing Type IIs.

    Type IIIs only care about rule #1 and for very different reasons. They just don't want to be judged and couldn't give two shits whether the gold diggers get bankrupted or not!

    And Type Is are true believers in gold digger game only, unless an alpha seduces them, which will make these women feel really guilty.

    The Disney myth is designed to make orbiters feel good: Yeah, this woman you are orbiting LOVES YOU, she just won't have sex with you, since you know, sex is a BIG DEAL for women. It's the NEXT BIG STEP, you're not there yet, you're just a FRIEND at the EMOTIONAL level. But who knows, if you just keep INVESTING...
    Sadly, this is true.

    Reality: if you're "just friends" with a woman, you are NOTHING to her. She won't fuck you even when she needs it because that violates the rules above: you are in her social circle so it's not discrete (especially as you'll probably get needy post-sex and broadcast drama), you're a beta, and it's not really NSA and instantly destructible when you are a part of her life.
    Correct. To be a seducer, you must be an individualist. Inserting yourself into her communitarian social circle, workplace, academic circle, etc... is death to your game, unless you're a beta provider or an ONS guy.

    For women, there are 3 degrees of increasing importance:

    1. "Just friends" - orbiters.
    2. Sexual providers.
    3. A man she loves.
    Well, wait a minute. What about the beta financial providers whom she fucks for money, marries, and then cheats on with alpha lovers??? Those fall into your number 1. So there are two types of orbiters - platonic orbiters (omegas) and sexual orbiters (beta providers who are married to, or in serious relationships with, these women for the purpose of resource extraction while the chumps think the women love them, while they get free alpha dick on the side).

    The first group
    Which includes the betas they fuck and marry for money.

    is absolutely meaningless. Women have ZERO sympathy, empathy, or caring towards their orbiters, they can all just die in a fire, she will shed a few dramatic tears to keep up social appearances but actually feel nothing. Women like to have multiple layers of fallback safeties around them. They can feel anxious and exposed if they have no orbiters, but as long as they have enough of them, each individual orbiter doesn't matter in the least. Each i totally disposable and interchangeable, about as important as the 1001th fastest sperm racing to fertilize her egg. He's there to make sure that if something terribly unfortunate happens to the 1000 fastest sperms, her egg will still get fertilized. (Of course, in that case the egg is still fucked, and she knows it and will do absolutely everything in her power to prevent it; your odds of ever landing a quality women as an orbiter are comparable to those of the sperm).
    This is only partially true. Yes, women have no empathy for their platonic orbiters or the betas whom they're having sex with in exchange for resources within the context of a "monogamous" marriage or relationship. But a beta can get laid as long as he plays provider game. She'll make him work for it and then have sex with him only once a month during the relationship or marriage while she fucks an alpha for free on the side, but betas do get laid and impregnate women, while then being forced to pay alimony and child support in order to fund her sexually wild lifestyle with alphas after the divorce! The beta marriage was just her stopping to refuel supplies in between hard alpha cock!

    Sexual providers
    Which are distinguished from beta boyfriends and beta husbands by the fact that she is fucking her alpha sex providers for free because she's horny, while fucking her beta husband like a generous asexual for money.

    can die in a fire right after they finish servicing her sexually. They're often not too bad of a choice to get pregnant from, in or out of a relationship with another man - especially when they're physically attractive.
    This is the part I have the hardest time agreeing with. Yes, in some cases this is true, especially when you're dealing with a Type I who feels guilty about surrendering to her urges due to your excellent game, or a low end Type II who is deeply entrenched in the collectivist sisterhood, but generally, a high end Type II or a Type III respects men who give her great sex. If the sex was fantastic, she wants more of it from you. Even as she has a beta boyfriend or husband in public.


    Tarzan, I think you're making two mistakes with your game - first, you come on too strong too quick (which signals to her that all you want is an ONS) and second, you stick to these virgin prude types most of the time. I've read some of your reports and in at least two of them, the women you seduce are these traditional/conservative/squeamish dorks. No wonder you think all women are within the gold digging sisterhood. They're not.

    The 3rd group is tricky though. That's the only group that actually controls women. They hold them by their proverbial balls: their EMOTIONS.
    These can be alpha 1.0s or 2.0s.

    So women are fairly free with their sex, but EXTREMELY guarded with their emotions. Their emotions are their demonic real names, the lever to bind and control them. Once you control a woman's emotions, you have real power over her, she is helpless. She will do the craziest shit for you without batting an eye.
    Very true!

    Right now, I know how to get sex,
    Do you know how to GIVE sex???

    but not how to get them to invest emotionally. It's a lot harder than I thought.
    Give them a spiritual experience in bed.

    In general, you will observe that women are far better sexual strategists than men. They are better at taking care of their needs, and getting what they want from men and relationships with them. I mean, most men don't even know all I just wrote above... How ridiculous is that?!

    So far, I've been playing into women's game, by their rules, acting as a discrete, disposable sex-provider. Women used me, I was a cog in their system. Of course, I got fast sex out of the arrangement. But now I want more, more than women would optimally provide me. That's a lot more challenging, since I am now working against actual resistance, to get more than my assigned share, instead of slipping into an approved, mutually beneficial, prescribed role in a play written by women.
    The only advice I have is to look for women who are more red pill, more individualistic, more intellectual, more rational, and more high sex drive. If I can manage an open relationship with a Wiccan 22 year old who is addicted to sex and doesn't give two shits about any gold digging sisterhood or bankrupting other women's meal tickets, or preventing the betas from dropping their tools, you can too.

    The more individualistic the woman, the hornier she is. Type IIIs follow no rules (except rule #1: discretion).
    Last edited by NWP; 05-19-2015, 12:52 AM.
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