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  • No Cross Posting Allowed - Read This Now - Important

    We cannot allow cross posting articles. That means, if you made a post an at some other site, you cannot post the same article here.

    In particular, do not cross post articles here and at mASF, AKA Fast Seduction.

    Below is the copyright page from mASF. You agreed to abide by their rules and therefore this page when you joined. Other sites likely have similar rules. I do not want to find out the hard way.

    http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

    In all cases, we need their permission to publish your work here.

    I am not going to ask, because I am sure they will not agree.

    Cross posting could get us taken down by our host if they complain.

    Please take down any posts you have made that were originally mASF posts and do not do any more cross posting.

    I am sorry I have to do this, but unless a competent copyright attorney tells me different, I do not think it is worth the risk to this site.

    If you cross posted something you posted on another site earlier and I missed it, please take it down ASAP.

    Use a link to the post on that site if you want to keep the post up and credit Fast Seduction as the origin of the post. Otherwise I will have to take it down.

    And one more time, please do not post copyrighted material here, only a link to the site where it was originally posted.

    Your cooperation in this is greatly appreciated.

    Silvertree
    The older the violin, the sweeter the music. Augustus McCrae

  • #2
    Silver, with all due respect, I think you're missing the point below, emphasis mine:

    "Although FastSeduction.com does not claim exclusive ownership of content that its users post, by posting content to any public area of FastSeduction.com, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to FastSeduction.com an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute said content and to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works of the foregoing as further described in this notice (read fully)."

    I did ask Jay Valens, the former owner of fastseduction, for clarification on this point.

    As the author of the original work, I am certainly allowed to post on multiple sites. Their copyright on my work is shared with me. This means that THEY can reproduce, host, re-post my work as they see fit... BUT SO CAN I.

    I am happy to put a link to the original post on MASF if you insist but I don't think it's necessary.

    Cheers,
    Joseph
    Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man!
    NOW AVAILABLE ON KINDLE

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    • #3
      I am trying very hard to avoid trouble, and not start any hostilities with any site. Especially Fast Seduction.

      I would rather not test the limits.

      It is going to look to them like their toes are being stepped on and even if we win, it could be a pyrrhic victory.

      We do not need the distraction of a legal battle while we are trying to get started.

      st
      The older the violin, the sweeter the music. Augustus McCrae

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      • #4
        The problem I have with it is it seems to be a restriction on what I can do with my own work, a restriction that Jay told me did not exist. I've got a TON of good content over there and if now all of a sudden I can't place it where I want it, this is a problem for me.
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        • #5
          I would sure like to talk to an actual lawyer.

          st
          The older the violin, the sweeter the music. Augustus McCrae

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          • #6
            I agree, a lawyer would be great to talk to, but not just any lawyer. I am going to write a post about screening when it comes to business, over in Lifestyle... in the next few days.

            But yeah Silver I definitely don't mean to break your balls. I really appreciate all the hard work you've dedicated here already, and my desire is to make this succeed. Your rule will motivate me to write new stuff, and that's a good thing. So I will abide by your rule until you tell us different... and I will make sure others abide by it too.

            Thanks again Silver, and BD, for this great forum!!
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            • #7
              Destruction is the ultimate act of creation. Vive la revolucion.
              We're here. The rest is bullshit.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Silvertree View Post
                We cannot allow cross posting articles. That means, if you made a post an at some other site, you cannot post the same article here.

                In particular, do not cross post articles here and at mASF, AKA Fast Seduction.

                Below is the copyright page from mASF. You agreed to abide by their rules and therefore this page when you joined. Other sites likely have similar rules. I do not want to find out the hard way.

                http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

                In all cases, we need their permission to publish your work here.

                Silvertree

                Silvertree,

                I don't think you are understanding the copyright agreement properly and should remove this warning.

                You are correct that *YOU* would need fastseduction's permission to repost something that *I* have written on fastseduction-

                But as for my own posts- I do retain non-exclusive copyrights to everything I write on fast-seduction.

                As said in the copyright agreement-
                "CONTRIBUTOR RIGHTS: The original authors of contributions to this site retain non-exclusive copyrights to those contributions, as well as granting Learn The Skills Corp with unlimited non-exclusive rights.."

                That means, I can do whatever I want with anything I write on Fast Seduction, including reposting it here, or absolutely anywhere in any format whatsoever as long as I'm the original author.

                I do however give Fast Seduction the same non-exclusive rights.. (note non-exclusive). So they could theoretically compile my posts and sell a book. But those rights are still shared by me and remain in their words "non-exclusive"

                There is nothing in that copyright agreement that forbids us from cross-posting in any way shape or form.

                It's most definitely the intent of the agreement, as verified by Jay-

                $M

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                • #9
                  http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

                  Read these sections:

                  NO NON-COMMERCIAL REPRODUCTIONS WITHOUT EXPLICIT PERMISSIONS & NOTIFICATION: NO PART of this site may be reproduced, in whole or in part, electronic or otherwise, without the express written consent of the original copyright holders AND explicit notification to Learn The Skills Corp (at the very least via e-mail at info@learntheskills.com), with permission being granted, unless such reproduction is is done exclusively by the original author.
                  As I read that, it means you can put your stuff on your site, but here you are putting it on someone else's site and it is not being published exclusively by the author, but by you and us jointly.

                  NO COLLECTION REPRODUCTION WITHOUT EXPLICIT PERMISSIONS FROM ALL PARTIES: Finally, absolutely no "collections" of content by multiple authors of which such content appears on FastSeduction.com, is allowed to be reproduced in any media even if permission has been obtained by all authors in such a collection, without explicit prior permission (provided in writing) granted by Learn The Skills Corp. In plain English, that means even if permission has been granted by 100 authors to reproduce their articles, no such service shall be allowed to exist combining any 2 or more written works from 2 or more authors without first getting explicit approval of Learn The Skills Corp. Violations will be dealt with legally.
                  Given that you would not be the only person reposting masf posts, this place becomes a collection by their definition.

                  The easiest way to get a site taken down is to complain to the host that it is publishing copyrighted material.

                  We have the rule in place to prevent that.

                  All copyrighted material from other sites is to be linked to and commented on, but not posted here.

                  We could be wrong, but we'd rather be safe than sorry. We want to put what time and money we have into making this the best site we can, not fighting over copyrights in court.

                  Everyone knows where to find your old material on masf. It is not lost if you do not repost it here. And you can link to it legally as long as you attribute it to them, and then discuss it here. You could also rewrite and update it and post it here as new material.
                  The older the violin, the sweeter the music. Augustus McCrae

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                  • #10
                    What is the copyright here at fasterseduction?

                    Is it the same non-exclusive as masf?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Silvertree View Post
                      http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

                      Read these sections:



                      As I read that, it means you can put your stuff on your site, but here you are putting it on someone else's site and it is not being published exclusively by the author, but by you and us jointly.



                      Given that you would not be the only person reposting masf posts, this place becomes a collection by their definition.

                      The easiest way to get a site taken down is to complain to the host that it is publishing copyrighted material.

                      We have the rule in place to prevent that.

                      All copyrighted material from other sites is to be linked to and commented on, but not posted here.

                      We could be wrong, but we'd rather be safe than sorry. We want to put what time and money we have into making this the best site we can, not fighting over copyrights in court.

                      Everyone knows where to find your old material on masf. It is not lost if you do not repost it here. And you can link to it legally as long as you attribute it to them, and then discuss it here. You could also rewrite and update it and post it here as new material.
                      The problem is that you're giving them traffic that they don't deserve. You're also placing a burden on authors, something that the authors never agreed to when posting over at fastseduction. I always understood it to be - and the writing in their warning sections are very clear - that I have granted them a NON EXCLUSIVE copyright. If it's non exclusive, it means they can't prevent me from doing anything I want with my own writing.

                      The net effect of this policy will be a chilling effect on posting here and funnelling traffic to the old site that they don't deserve. And for those of us who do want to re-post our old stuff, you will force us to place it elsewhere. I am going to turn my old stuff into a book, but unless and until your policy changes, those efforts and that traffic won't be permissible on this site. Please consider, thank you.
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                      • #12
                        Silvertree,

                        This is all a stretch- The bottom line is I have a non-exclusive copywrite agreement which allows me to post my own personal material anywhere I want without permission.
                        Fast Seduction and I share those rights.. I do however lose the right to grant someone else exclusive copywrite which limits my ability to publish a book for example.

                        I can't limit what they do with my work, they can't limit me either.
                        The quotes you posted are in regards to other peoples work, collections, and parts of the actual web-page.


                        The reason this is important is because if I spend a lot of time on a new post.. (wrapping on a good long one about how to make your own 3D-Porn films on the cheap)
                        I want to be able to post this to many sites I frequent including my local lair.

                        I simply can't post original content here if it won't be allowed as I'm interested in the most pairs of eyes reading and responding to my work.

                        I did send a letter to fastseduction seeking verifiable clarification.

                        $M

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                        • #13
                          I did send a letter to fastseduction seeking verifiable clarification.
                          That would be great. Can you send me a copy if you get it?

                          I am not a lawyer, and am making the most cautious reading of their copyright statement.

                          I expect trouble from them. I don't want to make it worse.

                          If there are any lawyers in the membership, it would be great if they could step forward and offer an opinion. My only guide is my ability to read English and infer meaning from what is written.

                          If we can get this straightened out and it is safe for this site to carry reposts, I am cool with it. But as the guy responsible for this place, I have to put safety first.
                          The older the violin, the sweeter the music. Augustus McCrae

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Silvertree View Post
                            That would be great. Can you send me a copy if you get it?

                            I am not a lawyer, and am making the most cautious reading of their copyright statement.

                            I expect trouble from them. I don't want to make it worse.

                            If there are any lawyers in the membership, it would be great if they could step forward and offer an opinion. My only guide is my ability to read English and infer meaning from what is written.

                            If we can get this straightened out and it is safe for this site to carry reposts, I am cool with it. But as the guy responsible for this place, I have to put safety first.
                            For sure.. If I get a response I'll paste it here.

                            ..

                            Fair enough with the safety first-

                            IMHO i think you're entirely, without a reason of a doubt in the clear.

                            best,
                            $M

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                            • #15
                              Actually the copyright sharing is quite fair and ahead of its time, when you think about more recent stuff, like CC.

                              mASF doesn't retain an exclusive copyright to MY material, else I would NEVER post there. They only "share" the copyright, in that they too can copy and re-print the stuff I wrote there as they see fit. This includes books, btw. They are still MY articles, that I can do with whatever the FUCK I like (as long as I stay a member). I can even delete them from mASF, in which case the copyright is returned fully back to me (likewise the copyright is fully given to mASF if I end my membership without "taking with me" my articles). Asside from that there is always "fair use" and quotation.

                              This is the normal way freelancers work (except for the deletion-part), btw. They let the newspaper print their stuff, but as the creator they can of course sell their stuff onto other newspapers as well. Exclusive rights to your content is MUCH more worth, and normally no one would enter such an aggreement unless the pay was very high or you get other benefits like, say, royalties. The newspaper only OWN the article if the journalist works there, but then it's no longer freelancing either.

                              When working freelance the professional rule is also, unless anything else is agreed, you retain the copyrigth to your own work (tho there might be differences depending on the business culture of your country or region).
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