Most guys don't hit on nearly enough women

[V man]

Zardoz, this post is spot on. As a guy who approached thousands of girls in daygame, I can attest to this. "Sniper" game is certainly real, and indeed, many of the hottest girls I hooked up with were the chicks who checked me out first. So, if you approach without any IOI's, there is only one way: sheer volume. It will be an uphill struggle, and you will be rejected over and over again, but yes, you'll eventually run into women who are into you. I posted my stats a year ago: I figure that on average, if I went out to a very busy street and approached at random, I'll get laid one out of 50-70 approaches. And I am an above average looking guy. This is the reality after you eliminate all kinds of possible flakes, girls with poor logistsics, all other random circumstances...

Three years ago, when I went through a tough break up with my ex, I was relentless in my daygame approaches. I approached about a dozen girls daily. And that was the period I got laid the most often (by many chicks).

[The Thin Man]

With daygame, it's really easy to get a phone number, or even an instant date. It's converting those that is tough. I actually need about ten eager contacts to get laid. And that means I need to approach twenty women to get that, at least. And almost all those interaction will be fine, and fun. They just aren't going to bang. I need numbers. Vast amounts.

I agree with much of what you are saying in this long thread... But there are some tweaks that I use to make it more comfortable, by limiting the male emotional labor, associated with approach and rejection.

But...

I have much better luck in my secondary game. I would say I have sex with most of the woman I instant date... I do screen out some... And I do lose a few to the Hmmm... not sure what happened there vortex. But if a woman comes away with me for a private conversation, and I don't screen her out... As a general rule it's on. I don't keep a spread sheet... Just does not seem like a thing a gentleman would do... So it would be the height of KJ to make up a percentage but believe me it is an exceptional thing for me to not sleep with a woman I instant date... That day... or with in 1 or 2 more dates.

My instinct is that this is about verbal game but I would be interested in what other people think.

If you do warmer approach not street pickup by expanding your menu of invites... (This is mostly a matter of getting on a bunch of automated invite lists. Which I can explain to anybody that does not know what I am talking about...) In an evening out alone, you can talk to 30 woman in a friendly non threatening kind of way, and decide when to tun it on... When the chemistry is strong... The thing is in my world the other 29 woman are not "rejections" they are charming contacts. This method allows you to grind with out getting ground up.

[Zardoz]

I agree with much of what you are saying in this long thread... But there are some tweaks that I use to make it more comfortable, by limiting the male emotional labor, associated with approach and rejection.

But...

I have much better luck in my secondary game. I would say I have sex with most of the woman I instant date... I do screen out some... And I do lose a few to the Hmmm... not sure what happened there vortex. But if a woman comes away with me for a private conversation, and I don't screen her out... As a general rule it's on. I don't keep a spread sheet... Just does not seem like a thing a gentleman would do... So it would be the height of KJ to make up a percentage but believe me it is an exceptional thing for me to not sleep with a woman I instant date... That day... or with in 1 or 2 more dates.

My instinct is that this is about verbal game but I would be interested in what other people think.

If you do warmer approach not street pickup by expanding your menu of invites... (This is mostly a matter of getting on a bunch of automated invite lists. Which I can explain to anybody that does not know what I am talking about...) In an evening out alone, you can talk to 30 woman in a friendly non threatening kind of way, and decide when to tun it on... When the chemistry is strong... The thing is in my world the other 29 woman are not "rejections" they are charming contacts. This method allows you to grind with out getting ground up.

I tried to do the spreadsheet thing for about a week but I keep neglecting to keep up with it. I'm just not nerdy enough. I should though I think it would make interesting data. One of my clients tracked his stats over a month, meticulously. I have that somewhere I'll see if I can find it. Was pretty interesting.

[cactus eyes]

Zardoz I was implying ijii isn't really getting blown out per say, but if a girl gives him what skills calls the "fuck of vibe," because he does the mingle vibe (which I think is good for aa) on top of his knowledge beneath it all, h just smiles and mingles on. This is from my experience and I may be projecting, but the mingle vibe definitely helps to neutralize the threat of mass approaching of women in certain spots if you make it the fun sexy vibe, and then screen through that, so essentially I wouldn't say you have to hit on 30 girls super direct but maybe just use them as fluff.

I mostly agree with all of what you're saying, I personally implement the mingle vibe + direct approach sniper style to girls I like and then bounce somewhere else (even in the venue) if I don't feel it's going to end up snl, but that's only if I'm strictly lookin for ons instead of actual decompress night out with close friends.

It does seem the more numbers=more lays is of course fact, but it's also at the crux of the Toth vs pos guy debate again. And then that whole debate spins off into the debate of whether it's aa holding you back from mass approaching or ego or lack of verbal game etc.

but as sound advice, i definitely agree to just hit on more women to increase your chances, and do it in a fun easy going way wherever you are all the time and that naturally increases the amount of women you talk to, and then you slowly build up your skill sets and confidence. thats what worked for me when i first started, thats what works for me now still to build up my state, and i think just the act of talking so easily all the time with women and hitting on them "as a reward" for playing along with your sexy fun personality vibe can net interesting results. field tested there as well.

ive honestly never specifically gone out to a daygame venue to hit on girls, like picked a mall and hung in the vicinity. maybe i should try it.

[Gunwitch]

Especially "casual" types: cd3.jpg

100% right. This is like a sport, not knowledge, one needs to have things ingrained from "marathons" as I call it, like training for a boxing match gets you over humps and sticking points. Going to the gym and sparring once a month does not a fighter make. Knowing ALL of game, and never approaching 50 women in a year, no prayer of learning dynamic influence game. You'll always flounder someplace between beginner and intermediate.

As illustrated by a 5 page thread I found recently, although it is old, from bodybuilding.com in, which a guy recommends using an old newbie opener direct opener drill for approach anxiety busting.

Again these aren't hardcore pua guys but it shows how exactly how little effort people are willing to put out. It also shows how mentally tough it is for most to try at all. They describe adrenaline rushes from just this basic exercise. I mean the one guy does TWO approaches in like 10 days, with a basic no skill needed direct approach drill, and is seemingly worn out mentally from it. Totally shows your point Zardoz. Many of these guys use the line once and give up. OR do a "little" every 10 days.

Then the thread degenerates in to "that would never work", uh yeah that's the point, its a drill not a fuckin "THIS IS THE BE ALL END ALL MAGIC LINE!" lol. But people SO conceive pickup as a natural born skill, not something that can be trained, they judge based totally on merits of a line and ignore that it is a part of a training structure.

Crazy lack of reading comprehension, AND idea that influence/pickup/seduction is supposed to be inborn and/or a line means anything.

Credit to the original thread starter he does later in try to explain that it's just a newb drill, not my actual material, but it falls on deaf ears.

But also the original user, KJs out and makes theories on why the opener would be super alpha and shock and awe her and work so well. When again, just a drill that's easy to remember.

5 page thread here of total lack of effort and how those who do seemingly burn out in a week or one approach.

Gun

[Stargazer]

Yes, I notice that my skills plateau or even decrease when I am not practicing enough.

If you do too many approaches in a club it may run the risk of:

1.- lowering your confidence and state (if you get rejected a lot, i don't care who you are, it will get to you)

2.- Desperation (aka plowing). And in a smaller club women will notice. Way around this is going to huge club, or many different small clubs close to each other (club hop)

There is a way around this; mingling around, just being social, teasing and spreading good vibes. When I do this I pretty much never get really bad reactions. Now to get laid you gotta do more than just mingling though, but you can choose to only escalate on girls who seem interested. This way you avoid many of the confidence and state destroying rejections.

[Bacchus]

If you do warmer approach not street pickup by expanding your menu of invites... (This is mostly a matter of getting on a bunch of automated invite lists. Which I can explain to anybody that does not know what I am talking about...) In an evening out alone, you can talk to 30 woman in a friendly non threatening kind of way, and decide when to tun it on... When the chemistry is strong... The thing is in my world the other 29 woman are not "rejections" they are charming contacts. This method allows you to grind with out getting ground up.

I'm quite interested in this method, could you please explain further?

I agree with everything Zardoz said, and I admire the work ethic but I can only be relentless for short bursts. Its like a cycle. Each time I end up taking a break, even though I still want to meet girls.

[Grodmeister General]

I didn't really start improving til I practiced more and did more sets..but at the same time I didn't or don't hit on a bunch of girls either..mass approaching while working on the indirect game skill set does make you better..but guys saying mass approaching while being direct doesn't work I can see why they say that.

[Zardoz]

Last night I was pushing a guy to get laid at the club, and I was doing my own work. I got us to track the data. We decided to only count the sets that "stuck." So interaction where the girls didn't run off to the bathroom or backturn, etc. It took my friend about seven approaches to hook a blond girl. He was frowning at me almost every time I was like "Again!", "Another!" and finally he had his own momentum. But I told him if I saw him dicking around and not approaching for more than two minutes between girls I'd be pissed or whatever. So we had a few adventures this way. I was opening for him and the girls were friendly, and since we started at eleven, by midnight he had hooked a tall blonde girl. I tapped him on the shoulder which is the "makeout" signal and off he was to one hour makeout land. Haha. I wanted him to pull her but he's never had a club makeout before so I just let him.

I unfortunately only kissed a few girls and the gears just weren't clicking. I think I have problems escalating with girls who aren't giving me full green lights. Like I am getting a lot of physical compliance but I don't have that killer instinct I had when I was doing it 5 nights a week.
And yeah, I need to learn to dance better. I don't like dancing and it kills me with club game. But, I'm not really a club guy, I've been pretty much a daygamer and pub guy forever.

He didn't pull, so after that I was like, great...next! In the end, over like four hours, he only had about 8 good tries. The thing is most of those interaction last more than 1 minute. I guess I didn't explain that. I don't mean so much "spamming" as going to the next girl without dicking around too much. Anyway, there's a good chance he's going to see her again she's texting him a lot. Apparently she had hot friends but we couldn't find them.

She told me to "Look for the girl with the nice eye brows." So I went around to chicks and inspected their faces real close. When they were like "What do you want'" I said "I'm supposed to find this girl with nice eyebrows." This was a fucking hilarious opener, all the girls laughed at that shit. And I ended up getting kissy with this 19 year old vietnamese chick. Her friends were cockblocking me from taking her to isolation for some reason. My vibe was on and a lot of girls were sticking when I opened them, and I'm pretty physical but just couldn't lock in the gears that would get the "deer in the headlights" look I was after. I'm looking into this screening stuff from gll I keep hearing about. It sounds a lot like what I do anyway but not always overtly consciously.

All I can think, is I need to approach more sets. But it will probably be date night tonight with the daygame girl I met on wed.

[Assman]

The game is not about hard work and work ethic or some logical shit like that, it's about pleasure and enjoyment.

The more you enjoy playing the game the better you'll do with women.

[The Thin Man]

I'm quite interested in this method, could you please explain further?

Sure... It is kind of stupid but it works. Basically I join stuff... and give out my e-mail address at functions where they are trying to build up a mailing list. At gallery openings there is always a place to sign up for updates about upcoming shows, I am the dumb ass that signs up for the spam, same goes for readings at independent bookstores. I join all museums at what ever level it is that you need to to get invited to stuff... I go to mixers, and social events and all of the cheesy shit you have been ignoring in your in box... I literally troll my email for bad invites to dumb shit... and I go. Business networking groups are awesome for this, so are university clubs and political organizations... There is a whole world of promoters and flacks out there trying to create lists of people to invite to shit, like concerts and art events and other boring BS. I go... They love it... And while I am there, I mingle for woman... It is a kind of mass indirect approach, I talk to guys too a bit. It is just chat chat chat... If I am attracted or get an available vibe, I try to immediately bounce the woman out of the boring event to a pre planed bounce location so I can isolate and start secondary verbal game.

I once picked up a hotter then hell.... married and not to me... ONS adventure woman at a fundraising event for a well known feminist political organization that funds a list of liberal woman to run for office... Opps. She called her husband in the burbs from my apartment, to let him know, "she had missed the last train and was, "staying with a friend..." She omitted the detail that said "friend's" cum was running down her inner thigh as she explained this.

[Zardoz]

Sure... It is kind of stupid but it works. Basically I join stuff... and give out my e-mail address at functions where they are trying to build up a mailing list. At gallery openings there is always a place to sign up for updates about upcoming shows, I am the dumb ass that signs up for the spam, same goes for readings at independent bookstores. I join all museums at what ever level it is that you need to to get invited to stuff... I go to mixers, and social events and all of the cheesy shit you have been ignoring in your in box... I literally troll my email for bad invites to dumb shit... and I go. Business networking groups are awesome for this, so are university clubs and political organizations... There is a whole world of promoters and flacks out there trying to create lists of people to invite to shit, like concerts and art events and other boring BS. I go... They love it... And while I am there, I mingle for woman... It is a kind of mass indirect approach, I talk to guys too a bit. It is just chat chat chat... If I am attracted or get an available vibe, I try to immediately bounce the woman out of the boring event to a pre planed bounce location so I can isolate and start secondary verbal game.

I once picked up a hotter then hell.... married and not to me... ONS adventure woman at a fundraising event for a well known feminist political organization that funds a list of liberal woman to run for office... Opps. She called her husband in the burbs from my apartment, to let him know, "she had missed the last train and was, "staying with a friend..." She omitted the detail that said "friend's" cum was running down her inner thigh as she explained this.

This is a really good idea. I totally suck at networking and all the guys I know who network, or are a part of clubs and organizations, have lots of women around them and bigger social circles. I just hang out with pickup dudes and go cold approaching because all my time is spent doing introvert things like writing, reading, watching films, Internet marketing, etc.

edit: I do have my girlfriends. But I neglect them.

I should get more into stuff like that. I think I'll try.

[The Thin Man]

This is a really good idea. I totally suck at networking and all the guys I know who network, or are a part of clubs and organizations, have lots of women around them and bigger social circles. I just hang out with pickup dudes and go cold approaching because all my time is spent doing introvert things like writing, reading, watching films, Internet marketing, etc.

edit: I do have my girlfriends. But I neglect them.

I should get more into stuff like that. I think I'll try.

The advantage of this is, it is not really social circle... Most people at these things are strangers, but they are not cold street approach either... The fact that both you and the woman you are approaching were "invited" to the event gives you a warmer reception to an opener. And you do not need to reveal your attraction as quickly. People are "supposed" to introduce themselves at things like this.

[ijjjji]

There is a way around this; mingling around, just being social, teasing and spreading good vibes. When I do this I pretty much never get really bad reactions. Now to get laid you gotta do more than just mingling though, but you can choose to only escalate on girls who seem interested. This way you avoid many of the confidence and state destroying rejections.

This.

I think OP needs more cred also. If you compare how many talk to too few girls, versus how many talk to too many (spam bot), the former is SO MUCH larger.

[cactus eyes]

Zardoz I was implying ijii isn't really getting blown out per say, but if a girl gives him what skills calls the "fuck of vibe," because he does the mingle vibe (which I think is good for aa) on top of his knowledge beneath it all, h just smiles and mingles on. This is from my experience and I may be projecting, but the mingle vibe definitely helps to neutralize the threat of mass approaching of women in certain spots if you make it the fun sexy vibe, and then screen through that, so essentially I wouldn't say you have to hit on 30 girls super direct but maybe just use them as fluff.

I mostly agree with all of what you're saying, I personally implement the mingle vibe + direct approach sniper style to girls I like and then bounce somewhere else (even in the venue) if I don't feel it's going to end up snl, but that's only if I'm strictly lookin for ons instead of actual decompress night out with close friends.

It does seem the more numbers=more lays is of course fact, but it's also at the crux of the Toth vs pos guy debate again. And then that whole debate spins off into the debate of whether it's aa holding you back from mass approaching or ego or lack of verbal game etc.

but as sound advice, i definitely agree to just hit on more women to increase your chances, and do it in a fun easy going way wherever you are all the time and that naturally increases the amount of women you talk to, and then you slowly build up your skill sets and confidence. thats what worked for me when i first started, thats what works for me now still to build up my state, and i think just the act of talking so easily all the time with women and hitting on them "as a reward" for playing along with your sexy fun personality vibe can net interesting results. field tested there as well.

ive honestly never specifically gone out to a daygame venue to hit on girls, like picked a mall and hung in the vicinity. maybe i should try it.

just to reiterate the pointN even though i got downvoated as fuck for saying it..

mingle vibe + sniping the girl you want is a good idea.. just like many people here admit they are doing.

as for daygame IF you are a super super new aa guy with no experience, learn to mingle and be social in the day to gauge reactions. and mass approach in areas that wont affect your total social credibility.


ah yes, children with limp dicks downvoting what im saying actually works for me.