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  • #16
    Originally posted by pureevil View Post
    Haha. Night game is harder because of online. But online game is harder. Excuses excuses excuses. Its easier to get laid now than ever (though this may only apply to the 20%, the 80% could be suffering more for all I know.)
    Yeah... this is what I've heard from other veterans. The league got soft (NBA reference... not a shot at anyone.)

    I wasn't around before online game was a thing... so won't KJ on that. Personally I don't even find night game hard per-se but ahem... like WIA said... day game is an option too. Just like some have already said it takes in-field work and careful analysis to get the hang of cold approach.

    Teev's recent thread also comes to mind here (LINK) and... there was a nice results-oriented thread by POB a while back (LINK)
    “You know I cant hear none of that spend the night shit... that kumbaya shit”

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    • #17
      Originally posted by FRwestk View Post
      A lot of this no doubt has to do with my level of skill, but in my experience nightgame nowadays is only for ONS. I've never been able to pull sucessfully line up a day 2. Not even a day 2 from a ONS from a club/bar pull. I do live in a city that relies heavily on tindr.

      Its easier in general to go for SNL than to stop yourself halfway through to get a phone number and set up a day 2. I think its also easier to see a girl again after you fuck her. So...I'm not sure why you are saying this like its a bad thing. If more women wanna bang immediately, start banging them instead of thinking you have to go through classic dating.

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      • #18
        here is the post pe is talking about:http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p...aming-worth-it
        Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

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        • #19
          So my personal experience may be relative. There's no lack of girls fucking though. . these are still excuses excuses excuses. But the way you game will of course always evolve, because that too is always relative (to what other guys are doing and whatever avenues for sex are out there at the time.)
          Pretty much the reason for the post. Your game will evolve based on the conditions in place that pertain to you surviving and replicating better. For example when 'game' originally started it was all about phone calls, NOT texting. It is not necessarily bad or good, just different and something to take in consideration. Which is why I'm glad WestIndian pointed some more of the changes in the last few years:
          I don't know what the fuck these other dudes are talking about, but most definitely the night life has changed.
          At an economic level there are less and less nightclubs and bars. That's an industry wide trend, and you can google that shit.
          There's a popular article about how bars/clubs are dying in the UK. The states are the same.
          They aren't closing down because of "industry" consolidation. Overall LESS PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT. So there's less money to be made.
          Why do you think a lot of places are now catering to the bottle service crowd? They can't exist without catering to whales.

          Very insightful and I forgot to mention even the Uber and Lyft initiatives. My thoughts were generally they would help get people out more, but now that I think about it, it's a major cock-block when you are about to pull the girl and her friend comes telling you that their Uber is here. Any other things that have help shift culture?

          What I am thinking is that this is just like a knowing your market with business. If you really know your potential customer then you are better able to communicate your product to them. If we know the women better, what they are going through as in what worked before may not be the same place then where they are now, then we can do a better job of giving them the opportunity to interact with them. One area for example that I haven't explored yet is snapchat. Some of the hot girls are on snapchat. I don't know that it's bad or good, but it could be good likely if I find a way to get girls from there. Just an example, but thinking of the things above, some of my friends have gotten some action by being Uber drivers.
          -Supernova

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DJ_Z View Post
            Its easier in general to go for SNL than to stop yourself halfway through to get a phone number and set up a day 2. I think its also easier to see a girl again after you fuck her. So...I'm not sure why you are saying this like its a bad thing. If more women wanna bang immediately, start banging them instead of thinking you have to go through classic dating.
            Basically I am not as good at SNL's than day 2s, so I'm just whining at this point. (I do mention that this has to do with my skill level)
            "A human life gains luster and strength only when it is polished and tempered."

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            • #21
              I don't like making generalizations for the entire pick up community so I can only comment on myself. My online game is easier when I first get to a new city because I can instamatch thousands of women. However my RL game is more difficult at first because my logistics take time to workout. The exception would be if I'm just going to pay for a downtown hotel, cabs, etc. Over the course of a month the online game tends to dry up and I get comfortable enough to start making decent progress in RL.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Supernova View Post
                Pretty much the reason for the post. Your game will evolve based on the conditions in place that pertain to you surviving and replicating better. For example when 'game' originally started it was all about phone calls, NOT texting. It is not necessarily bad or good, just different and something to take in consideration. Which is why I'm glad WestIndian pointed some more of the changes in the last few years:
                Gotcha. I was carrying over Skills360 framing of this post, he was in a bad place and was whiney at the time lol. (totally understandable for where you were at the time Skills, not ragging on you.)

                I looked up the numbers. Bar and Nightclub profits and attendance are growing (outside of a 2008-2009 dip caused by the recession) but the number of bars and clubs are down. Not huge growth, but up 1.4% from 2014 to 2015. The "millennials" articles I found (that I'm assuming WestIndian is references) are cherry picking facts to paint a picture (if an article written in 2016 about millennial nightlife habits references a decrease in profits in 2009, without mentioning its gone up every year since, then its a bullshit article with a motive), this one gives you the legit cold hard numbers and analysis:

                http://www.nciaa.com/content.aspx?pa...odule_id=29898

                Not sure what can be inferred though, anecdotal experience from older guys who spend a lot of time clubbing over the year is probably the most valuable.



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                • #23
                  Bottom line is if the club is sucking (usually due to bad ratios)...

                  the best thing is to be consistently going out and try different scenes and new clubs...(in some cities logistically difficult like for me now to travel to Broward is 1 hour away, and Miami 1 1/2 hours away...)

                  Again as long as you put in the NUMBERS (game is a numbers game and SKILL SET) you should be ok....

                  Analogy:

                  Day game if one mall sucks and you are doing bad try a different mall or different beach etc...

                  if pof sucks try ocupid
                  if ocupid sucks try tinder etc...
                  Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

                  www.dancefloorseduction.com









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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                    Bottom line is if the club is sucking (usually due to bad ratios)...

                    the best thing is to be consistently going out and try different scenes and new clubs...(in some cities logistically difficult like for me now to travel to Broward is 1 hour away, and Miami 1 1/2 hours away...)

                    Again as long as you put in the NUMBERS (game is a numbers game and SKILL SET) you should be ok....

                    Analogy:

                    Day game if one mall sucks and you are doing bad try a different mall or different beach etc...

                    if pof sucks try ocupid
                    if ocupid sucks try tinder etc...
                    Yeah this.

                    OP: Santa Monica has always been pretty rough club wise, its an old people and tourist town. Venice isn't great either (like 3 blah bars on Abbot Kinney, and some bars near the beach which can be hit or miss), nor is Culver City or Marina Del Rey. West LA isn't the best place to meet girls at night. (Day game, this area is amazing, couldn't possibly get better actually.)

                    Drive 3-4 miles inland, and try West Hollywood and Hollywood, or a little further into Silverlake and Downtown. That's where all the young people go to club and party. Mixed clubs in WeHo are the easiest for fast sex in my experience, though I haven't really been out in that area in a while and I've recently heard many straight guys have caught on to the mixed WeHo clubs, and that they're becoming more meat market. Still, should be good stomping grounds. I have a particular venue in mind but I don't want to give it away on a public forum.

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                    • #25
                      Game has changed considerably. I can't really explain specifically "What" has changed about it. I've come across some interesting things in my readings, *(One book that comes to mind is Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance") I think that game has all the suddenly become "Main Stream" sort of like how the "Punk" movement has become mainstream.

                      I think Cosy was slightly onto something with his South Park reference. South Park has always been a good reference point in figuring out the forces of change. I didn't honestly think that the "Member Berry" thing should be the thought to look at. But last season instead with the "Soda Sopa" sort of idea. I think the new concept that is being pushed across the table is pretty much these "communities" in apartment complex's. I think that is one piece of it.

                      I think though that all the suddenly things are getting worst. And I feel it is because of something. Can't put my finger on it. I'm thinking this trend however is related to North America in general. I get closer to opting out of being social on a regular basis with people who are not my close friends. Don't have that trust anymore.
                      Is this all in my head? You don't
                      move like a normal girl - Normal girls
                      don't look like that, not in their eyes
                      or the way you orchestrate my butterflies

                      Brett McGibbon

                      Self improvement isnt anywhere near as powerful as making her tingle lol

                      PUA

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TahFeqo1iiU

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                      • #26
                        Pureevil, you ever go run game in San Diego?
                        I was in SD for a week this year. I used to live there, but didn't have any game at the time, even though I definitely looked better (lean, shredded, face skinnier, etc).

                        Girls were way way more DTF and open minded. Much more in the moment, especially compared to the east coast and even LA. This was all across the board, online, real life, etc. I could go to a bar on a monday (industry) evening and still get a ton of IoIs over there.

                        Anyways, now that I think about it, the whole online thing killing real life game might be more true in my city. Girls are plentiful and intelligent, but boy are they prude compared to other cities I've been to. People pretty much only hang out with other work friends or have to join some dorky ass activity like co-ed sports. Same social circle for their entire existence in this city.
                        "A human life gains luster and strength only when it is polished and tempered."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Must View Post
                          I think though that all the suddenly things are getting worst. And I feel it is because of something. Can't put my finger on it. I'm thinking this trend however is related to North America in general. I get closer to opting out of being social on a regular basis with people who are not my close friends. Don't have that trust anymore.
                          I have three comments on this:
                          1.) Sometimes game might get comparitively worse to times recently, but I doubt they will ever get as worse as caveman days. My caveman ancestors would give their left nut to have the access to women at the swipe of a finger or to food with the swipe of a card. This worse/better is just relative to current day and will go and up and down. I'm thankful for that caveman fighting through the shit he went through so I could have things better. For this I won't complain that it is 'worse'. I don't think you were here, but likely a valuable perspective for anyone reading.

                          2.) I think you might be on to something with the North America thing though. I just got to Tokyo and the women that I have interacted with, all of them from foreign countries have shown me a kind of respect that I don't see in the U.S. Example: I stopped one girl on the plane with a dumb question about the flight to which she didn't even know. She gave me her complete attention and just waiting for me to say more and more to her. I don't find this kind of attention from strangers in the U.S. These however have only been Japanese girls, so we will see. I'm interested in this though.

                          3.) I remember towards the end of my time in Denver and the RSD Facebook group, people would just say they were going to be out and leave their # for anyone to go out with them. They didn't care if they were competent wings or not and they all just met up, disorganized and not even really friends. This led to an interesting dynamic.
                          -Supernova

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FRwestk View Post
                            Pureevil, you ever go run game in San Diego?
                            I was in SD for a week this year. I used to live there, but didn't have any game at the time, even though I definitely looked better (lean, shredded, face skinnier, etc).

                            Girls were way way more DTF and open minded. Much more in the moment, especially compared to the east coast and even LA. This was all across the board, online, real life, etc. I could go to a bar on a monday (industry) evening and still get a ton of IoIs over there.

                            Anyways, now that I think about it, the whole online thing killing real life game might be more true in my city. Girls are plentiful and intelligent, but boy are they prude compared to other cities I've been to. People pretty much only hang out with other work friends or have to join some dorky ass activity like co-ed sports. Same social circle for their entire existence in this city.
                            San Diego is a great city, probably the best city in the country if you add everything up. Has one of the world's best climates, beautiful mountains and beaches, and is absent the entertainment industry. A lot of really cool happy people enjoying life in an ideal setting. Large city CA is red pill in general, non judgemental and easy going as the typical baseline, and lots of people are DTF. Your experience is the norm. I'd love to end up there later in life.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by pureevil View Post
                              San Diego is a great city, probably the best city in the country if you add everything up. Has one of the world's best climates, beautiful mountains and beaches, and is absent the entertainment industry. A lot of really cool happy people enjoying life in an ideal setting. Large city CA is red pill in general, non judgemental and easy going as the typical baseline, and lots of people are DTF. Your experience is the norm. I'd love to end up there later in life.
                              Yeah, kicking myself for not having game when I used to live there. Boy I miss it.
                              "A human life gains luster and strength only when it is polished and tempered."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Must View Post
                                Game has changed considerably. I can't really explain specifically "What" has changed about it. I've come across some interesting things in my readings, *(One book that comes to mind is Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance") I think that game has all the suddenly become "Main Stream" sort of like how the "Punk" movement has become mainstream.

                                I think Cosy was slightly onto something with his South Park reference. South Park has always been a good reference point in figuring out the forces of change. I didn't honestly think that the "Member Berry" thing should be the thought to look at. But last season instead with the "Soda Sopa" sort of idea. I think the new concept that is being pushed across the table is pretty much these "communities" in apartment complex's. I think that is one piece of it.

                                I think though that all the suddenly things are getting worst. And I feel it is because of something. Can't put my finger on it. I'm thinking this trend however is related to North America in general. I get closer to opting out of being social on a regular basis with people who are not my close friends. Don't have that trust anymore.
                                Citation needed. I mean you not wanting to be social is not indicative of pickup changing - women still want to fuck, you can still talk to strangers, and what influenced a woman into bed last year will do so today.

                                This thread, and hey_lover's, are weird to me. Guys aren't having the success they want, so rather than just go practice more people are trying to create some new universe where all people act in a fundamentally different way than they did a year or two ago. I mean aside from Donald Trump supporters being more openly crazy, we're in the same shithole as before lol.

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