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I had a few questions on this so I'll describe what I'm talking about.
There are two distinct types of non-AFC men. Thrill of the Hunt men (TotH) and Pleasure of Sex men (PoS).
Before I describe each, let me clarify a few things.
* Neither type of guy is any better than the other. They’re not better or worse. They’re just different. As you’re about to see, there are lot of pros and cons to both styles.
* BOTH types of men are Alpha males. Both types can be skilled at seduction and/or relationships. Both are “cool”.
* These two types of men have nothing to do with monogamy or poly, nor is this a discussion about mono vs. poly. Both types of men can desire mono and/or poly relationships (though with different results as you’ll soon see). Men of both kinds are very horny, love sex, and (sadly) usually desire to “settle down” and get monogamous someday “down the road”. Neither type of guy should get monogamous, for completely different reasons that I’ll demonstrate in a minute. But again, this is not a discussion about monogamy.
* As you read through these descriptions, you’re going to think “I’m a little bit of both.” Lots of guys have some PoS and TofH in them, but you are not “both” no matter how much you think you are. One of them is stronger in you than the other. That being said, some guys can be extreme in their style (PoS or TotH) and some guys just be “standard” in their style. But you’re one or the other, not both.
The Difference Between The Two
PoS guys desire sex. They don’t care how they get it as long as it’s easy, quick, and not a lot of trouble. For TotH guys, the hunt is just as important as the sex. Sometimes it’s even more important.
That’s really it…but it’s a big difference.
TotH guys are always pushing themselves to the limit, trying to accomplish difficult lays. Fucking a gal who was really hard lay is a huge source of pleasure for them. The harder the lay, the more they had to work, the more they had to push themselves for the lay, the better they like it. Whenever you read about a 45 minute bathroom lay at a club, you’re likely reading about a TotH guy. Whenever you read about a guy battling a chick’s reluctant ASD for hours to score that SNL or SDL, you’re very likely reading about a TotH guy.
PoS guys just want to get laid. They want to get to the sex as easily as possible without a lot of hassle, even if the methods they use are considered “boring” or “AFC”. They just want the sex. They don’t give as shit about the hunt. As a matter of fact, extreme PoS guys won’t bother with pickup at all…they’ll just pay for hookers. Again, they don’t care how they get it. They just want it. Whenever you read about a guy talking about how great Facebook is for getting laid, you're likely looking at a PoS guy.
TotH guys view the process of seduction as fun and thoroughly enjoyable. PoS guys view the process of seduction as a necessary evil. They both can be very effective. One wants to push himself to accomplish great things, the other wants to get laid fast and easily. Either approach can work.
Seduction / Pickup
TotH men tend to have very, very strong game. They know how to get laid easily and rarely have a problem with it. They tend to be very comfortable with people and women pick up on that.
Seduction and pickup tend to be the stronger point for TotH men and tend to be the weaker point for PoS guys. (Generally speaking, of course.)
Game Styles
TotH guys will naturally gravitate towards styles of game that are “harder”, like club game or street game. They distain things like online game or going out on "dates". Style, who back in his prime was a hardcore TotH guy, once wrote that he tried online game, laid five chicks in a row very fast, and stopped doing online game. Why? It was “too easy”. TotH don’t want the hunt to be easy…that ruins the whole point for them. They often look down at guys who fuck chicks on the second or third date for example, because to them that’s “too easy” and “doesn’t require any game”.
PoS are the exact opposite. They will gravitate towards game styles that are “easier” or more “AFC”, like online game and very low-key daygame. They’ll even do things like speed dating…anything that will make the process easier is cool for them. PoS guys usually dislike the hunt and find it tedious or a waste of time…they just want the sex to come easily.
ASD
When TotH guy encounters ASD, he gets very excited at the challenge and will dive right in. He will happily spend hours battling ASD to win his prize. When a PoS guy encounters ASD, he’ll try a few things, but if they don’t work, he bails fast and is off to the next gal. She “pissed me off” or “was a bitch” or was “too much trouble”.
Relationships
Whenever a TotH guy gets monogamous, for a while he likes it, but soon he gets very uncomfortable because he’s out of the hunt. So TotH guys tend to be hardcore cheaters, cheating on women a lot. TotH guys need to hunt. TotH relationships almost always tend to end up being either very short-term serial monogamist ones, or relationships where he’s cheating often.
Because of their love of sex, when PoS guys find a steady source, they have a tendency to cling to that source. Therefore, PoS guys tend to get into relationships must faster than TotH guys and also tend to get needy and oneitisy faster. PoS guys tend to me much more “relationshippy” than TotH guys, many of whom don’t even like talking about relationships in detail and often consider it pussy-talk (even if they have a girlfriend). PoS guys also tend to put up with more “crap” (i.e. drama) from a woman they’re with than TotH guys, who will just use it as an excuse to get right back into the hunt for someone new.
TotH guys tend to get bored of the same sexual partner very quickly. No matter how hot she is or how much he loves her, he will soon get bored with her sexually and want to get back into the hunt to find someone one new. It’s much harder for PoS guys to get sexually bored with a partner…they can fuck the same chick for years and years and still enjoy it with her. Of course, they’re still men so they still want to fuck other women too, but not because they’re bored with woman number one and not because they desire the hunt. They just want variety (all men do, of all types, it's a guy thing).
It's a mirror image of seduction: relationships tend to be the stronger point for PoS guys and tend to be the weaker point for TotH guys. (Generally speaking, of course.)
Disagreements Between The Two Types
TotH guys tend to view PoS guys as pussies or lazy or AFCish. They view PoS guys as not wanting to push themselves to be better men. Whenever you see a club game guy bash online game, this is the dynamic you’re seeing.
PoS guys tend to view TotH as immature, teenage-like, and time-wasters. Whenever you see a PUA telling another PUA to "grow up", or say something like “Dude WTF? Why did you stay up until 3am to fuck so-and-so when you could have just fucked so-and-so in probably an hour? That’s dumb!”, this is the dynamic you’re seeing.
Many times, arguments in the seduction community (and oh my, there are a lot of them) often are not about what they're presented to be about. The disagreements might look like it’s about game style or technique or psychology, when in fact, its simply a disagreement about how the two different types of guys view the world of women.
As I said, one is not right and the other wrong. Both have very good points. I myself am a PoS guy. Many years ago I had some BIG arguments with some TotH guys, until I realized what was going on. That’s when I stopped arguing with TotH guys, acknowledged that how they viewed the process of seduction was very different than me, and moved on.
The TotH guy who is constantly pushing others to improve does have a point. The PoS guy who thinks it’s stupid to stay up until 2am to get laid also has a point. They’re both right, just looking at things very differently.
Where Do You Fit In?
You need to identify yourself. You’re either a predominantly TotH guy or a PoS guy. Yes, you may have aspects of both, but you’ll have one dominant one. Once you figure out what type of guy you are, you should be congruent with that.
TotH guys should always stay in the hunt. Always! The minute you get taken out of the hunt (due to monogamy or complacency or despondency) is the minute you start to implode, and often get depressed…if you’re in relationship you’ll soon cheat or dump the woman in your life, possibly prematurely.
PoS guys should never feel pressured to learn game styles or techniques that seem “cool”. They should do what works for them, not what’s cool. More importantly, PoS guys should never settle for one magical pussy, and as a PoS guy you'll be very tempted to do this. They should always be aware that ALL RELATIONSHIPS ARE TEMPOARY and you should always be honing your skills.
Hope that helps.
There are two distinct types of non-AFC men. Thrill of the Hunt men (TotH) and Pleasure of Sex men (PoS).
Before I describe each, let me clarify a few things.
* Neither type of guy is any better than the other. They’re not better or worse. They’re just different. As you’re about to see, there are lot of pros and cons to both styles.
* BOTH types of men are Alpha males. Both types can be skilled at seduction and/or relationships. Both are “cool”.
* These two types of men have nothing to do with monogamy or poly, nor is this a discussion about mono vs. poly. Both types of men can desire mono and/or poly relationships (though with different results as you’ll soon see). Men of both kinds are very horny, love sex, and (sadly) usually desire to “settle down” and get monogamous someday “down the road”. Neither type of guy should get monogamous, for completely different reasons that I’ll demonstrate in a minute. But again, this is not a discussion about monogamy.
* As you read through these descriptions, you’re going to think “I’m a little bit of both.” Lots of guys have some PoS and TofH in them, but you are not “both” no matter how much you think you are. One of them is stronger in you than the other. That being said, some guys can be extreme in their style (PoS or TotH) and some guys just be “standard” in their style. But you’re one or the other, not both.
The Difference Between The Two
PoS guys desire sex. They don’t care how they get it as long as it’s easy, quick, and not a lot of trouble. For TotH guys, the hunt is just as important as the sex. Sometimes it’s even more important.
That’s really it…but it’s a big difference.
TotH guys are always pushing themselves to the limit, trying to accomplish difficult lays. Fucking a gal who was really hard lay is a huge source of pleasure for them. The harder the lay, the more they had to work, the more they had to push themselves for the lay, the better they like it. Whenever you read about a 45 minute bathroom lay at a club, you’re likely reading about a TotH guy. Whenever you read about a guy battling a chick’s reluctant ASD for hours to score that SNL or SDL, you’re very likely reading about a TotH guy.
PoS guys just want to get laid. They want to get to the sex as easily as possible without a lot of hassle, even if the methods they use are considered “boring” or “AFC”. They just want the sex. They don’t give as shit about the hunt. As a matter of fact, extreme PoS guys won’t bother with pickup at all…they’ll just pay for hookers. Again, they don’t care how they get it. They just want it. Whenever you read about a guy talking about how great Facebook is for getting laid, you're likely looking at a PoS guy.
TotH guys view the process of seduction as fun and thoroughly enjoyable. PoS guys view the process of seduction as a necessary evil. They both can be very effective. One wants to push himself to accomplish great things, the other wants to get laid fast and easily. Either approach can work.
Seduction / Pickup
TotH men tend to have very, very strong game. They know how to get laid easily and rarely have a problem with it. They tend to be very comfortable with people and women pick up on that.
Seduction and pickup tend to be the stronger point for TotH men and tend to be the weaker point for PoS guys. (Generally speaking, of course.)
Game Styles
TotH guys will naturally gravitate towards styles of game that are “harder”, like club game or street game. They distain things like online game or going out on "dates". Style, who back in his prime was a hardcore TotH guy, once wrote that he tried online game, laid five chicks in a row very fast, and stopped doing online game. Why? It was “too easy”. TotH don’t want the hunt to be easy…that ruins the whole point for them. They often look down at guys who fuck chicks on the second or third date for example, because to them that’s “too easy” and “doesn’t require any game”.
PoS are the exact opposite. They will gravitate towards game styles that are “easier” or more “AFC”, like online game and very low-key daygame. They’ll even do things like speed dating…anything that will make the process easier is cool for them. PoS guys usually dislike the hunt and find it tedious or a waste of time…they just want the sex to come easily.
ASD
When TotH guy encounters ASD, he gets very excited at the challenge and will dive right in. He will happily spend hours battling ASD to win his prize. When a PoS guy encounters ASD, he’ll try a few things, but if they don’t work, he bails fast and is off to the next gal. She “pissed me off” or “was a bitch” or was “too much trouble”.
Relationships
Whenever a TotH guy gets monogamous, for a while he likes it, but soon he gets very uncomfortable because he’s out of the hunt. So TotH guys tend to be hardcore cheaters, cheating on women a lot. TotH guys need to hunt. TotH relationships almost always tend to end up being either very short-term serial monogamist ones, or relationships where he’s cheating often.
Because of their love of sex, when PoS guys find a steady source, they have a tendency to cling to that source. Therefore, PoS guys tend to get into relationships must faster than TotH guys and also tend to get needy and oneitisy faster. PoS guys tend to me much more “relationshippy” than TotH guys, many of whom don’t even like talking about relationships in detail and often consider it pussy-talk (even if they have a girlfriend). PoS guys also tend to put up with more “crap” (i.e. drama) from a woman they’re with than TotH guys, who will just use it as an excuse to get right back into the hunt for someone new.
TotH guys tend to get bored of the same sexual partner very quickly. No matter how hot she is or how much he loves her, he will soon get bored with her sexually and want to get back into the hunt to find someone one new. It’s much harder for PoS guys to get sexually bored with a partner…they can fuck the same chick for years and years and still enjoy it with her. Of course, they’re still men so they still want to fuck other women too, but not because they’re bored with woman number one and not because they desire the hunt. They just want variety (all men do, of all types, it's a guy thing).
It's a mirror image of seduction: relationships tend to be the stronger point for PoS guys and tend to be the weaker point for TotH guys. (Generally speaking, of course.)
Disagreements Between The Two Types
TotH guys tend to view PoS guys as pussies or lazy or AFCish. They view PoS guys as not wanting to push themselves to be better men. Whenever you see a club game guy bash online game, this is the dynamic you’re seeing.
PoS guys tend to view TotH as immature, teenage-like, and time-wasters. Whenever you see a PUA telling another PUA to "grow up", or say something like “Dude WTF? Why did you stay up until 3am to fuck so-and-so when you could have just fucked so-and-so in probably an hour? That’s dumb!”, this is the dynamic you’re seeing.
Many times, arguments in the seduction community (and oh my, there are a lot of them) often are not about what they're presented to be about. The disagreements might look like it’s about game style or technique or psychology, when in fact, its simply a disagreement about how the two different types of guys view the world of women.
As I said, one is not right and the other wrong. Both have very good points. I myself am a PoS guy. Many years ago I had some BIG arguments with some TotH guys, until I realized what was going on. That’s when I stopped arguing with TotH guys, acknowledged that how they viewed the process of seduction was very different than me, and moved on.
The TotH guy who is constantly pushing others to improve does have a point. The PoS guy who thinks it’s stupid to stay up until 2am to get laid also has a point. They’re both right, just looking at things very differently.
Where Do You Fit In?
You need to identify yourself. You’re either a predominantly TotH guy or a PoS guy. Yes, you may have aspects of both, but you’ll have one dominant one. Once you figure out what type of guy you are, you should be congruent with that.
TotH guys should always stay in the hunt. Always! The minute you get taken out of the hunt (due to monogamy or complacency or despondency) is the minute you start to implode, and often get depressed…if you’re in relationship you’ll soon cheat or dump the woman in your life, possibly prematurely.
PoS guys should never feel pressured to learn game styles or techniques that seem “cool”. They should do what works for them, not what’s cool. More importantly, PoS guys should never settle for one magical pussy, and as a PoS guy you'll be very tempted to do this. They should always be aware that ALL RELATIONSHIPS ARE TEMPOARY and you should always be honing your skills.
Hope that helps.
), so if there's unnecessary drama I tend to dump her then move on.
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