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  • Different types of game/personalities get different kind of shit-tests?

    From personal experience I happened to date the same girl with three different kind of "styles" with some time inbetween.

    Here is my assumption / observation

    The hot guy blasé / asshole rockstar / swinggcat / boss (cred. Razorjack) game gets major shit-tests. Things I have gotten: slapped in the face, hat stolen and thrown away, scratched my neck, told me how small my dick probably is etc. All these girls were SUPER attracted. It is were girls do crazy shit like fuck you in front of other people etc.

    Connection game (be it emotionally deep or in a more banter way): Bacchus (emotionally deep), Craig Ferguson (banter banter banter)
    smaller shit-tests, way smoother. but less fun for some maybe.



  • #2
    a shit test is a shit test , sometimes a strong negative reaction aint a shit but an IOD to you being an asshole! there is no types! only appropiate responses

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    • #3
      1) Yes Mr. Dr., girls LOVE when the boy sets the stage, and will try their best to latch on to his vision and help create an interesting theatrical scene based on how the stage was set!!
      (A bit similar to dancing! Try grabbing the girl firmly in a tango pose at start of song, and you will see similar response.)

      2) Please DONT refer to all things as "shit test". It only serves to make things less clear. (FLIRTING is not the same as SHIT TEST. Same goes for resistance and rejection. Not shit tests either.)

      Side note, my experience is that theatrically infused games is among the best way to get girls who might otherwise get stuck thinking you are not in their league!

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      • #4
        “Shit test” is one of the vaguest, poorly explained concepts in seduction. I’ve read up a bit, but never found a good description.

        Anyone got a good link?

        Skills, you usually have the best links...anything?
        You go to war with the women you have, not the ones you wish to have.
        -Ronald Dumsfeld

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        • #5
          Originally posted by No More Mr Nice Guy View Post
          “Shit test” is one of the vaguest, poorly explained concepts in seduction. I’ve read up a bit, but never found a good description.

          Anyone got a good link?

          Skills, you usually have the best links...anything?
          here, by mark manson:

          I’ve been meaning to address this for a while now, the obsession and paranoia some guys have about shit tests. For those who are uninitiated, a shit test is an old PUA term to describe a woman who says something derogatory to you to see how you react. The theory is that she is testing your dominance, your will, your frame, your confidence, etc. in order to judge how attractive you really are. Typically it comes in the form of snooty comments such as, “Are you gay?” or “Don’t you have any other friends?” or making fun of your shirt or whatever.

          Woman test you when she’s attracted to you but she wants to make sure you’re for real. The idea is that she challenges you in some way, and you have to prove to her that you’re unaffected by her interjections. In the past, I went into depth on how to handle shit tests here. If you’re unfamiliar with the concept, you probably want to take a moment and review that post.

          Here I want to address shit test paranoia. Over the years, guys commonly come to me with all of these shit tests that women throw at them asking me how they should deal with them. I usually point them to the above post or just repeat what’s said there. But here’s the interesting part: I’d say 80% of the time, what the guys perceive as shit tests aren’t actually shit tests at all.

          In fact, I’m not a huge fan of the shit test label in general. I think it’s another PUA concept that ends up hurting more than it helps. But first, I’ll explain the two most common ways guys misinterpret women’s actions as shit tests when they’re really not.

          The first is teasing. I’d say a solid 50% of the questions I get concerning women testing a guy are no more than a girl teasing and flirting with the guy in question. I always have to reassure these guys that this is indeed a good thing. Women only tease guys they’re flirting with and they only flirt with men that they’re attracted to. How some good-natured ribbing qualifies as a shit test in the minds of these guys is beyond me. Or actually, scratch that, they interpret them as shit tests because they’re overly-sensitive and taught by books they’ve read that they must be prepared to overcome any adversity a woman throws at them. This is a bunch of BS. Your guy friends tease you. Your family teases you. Are they shit testing you? Are their teases something that must be deflected or conquered? No, it’s merely a sign of playful affection, so treat it that way.

          As with most PUA concepts, the idea of the shit test creates a defensive mindset in the guy, the idea that this is some obstacle that must be overcome and defeated rather than accepted and connected with.

          The other common situation which men erroneously perceive to be “shit tests” is when a woman is a plain rejection. The most popular example is the so-called “I have a boyfriend” shit test. This isn’t a shit test. This is her saying she’s not interested in you. Even if she’s lying and is single, she’s turned off, not receptive and is probably not worth the effort.

          Other common rejections that are misinterpreted as shit tests: “I have to go,” “Here, talk to my friend,” “We’re lesbians,” or of course, the obvious “Sorry, I’m not interested.”

          Shit tests are actually quite rare. And believe it or not, they become more common the closer and more intimate you are with a woman. Anyone who’s been married or lived with a girlfriend can tell you that you get tested on a daily basis. Girls I meet in bars almost never shit test me. My ex-girlfriend of two years barraged me constantly with them.

          Shit tests only happen when a woman is already very attracted to you to the point that it makes her uncomfortable. She eases this comfort by testing you. It’s her sub-conscious saying, “I’m so into this guy that it’s scary. I don’t know how trustworthy he is. Here, I’ll say something obnoxious to see if he’s for real or not.” It’s a screening strategy for women, since they have so much more to gain/lose by emotionally invested themselves in a guy. This is also why the rate of shit tests increase proportionally to the level of intimacy you share.

          This is also why one of the most common shit tests on the planet is some permutation of “You must be gay.” Sure, sometimes this can be used as a tease or rejection, but women you just meet out at a bar or club will pull this one out when they become extremely attracted to you quickly. Think about it for a second, what do all women say about gay guys? That they’re hot. They’re emotionally expressive, dress well, make her laugh and are physical with her without inhibitions. All things that we teach you to do in the dating advice industry. She’s turned on, she doesn’t really know what to do with the situation. She really likes you but just met you and doesn’t know you. She feels a little nervous and doesn’t completely trust you. And so she blurts out, “You have to be gay, right?”

          It has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with her.

          If you react negatively, or show any irritation (remember: the quickest turn off for a woman is a man who is intimidated by her), then she’ll lose attraction for you. Her sub-conscious will be eased because you’ll just be another douchebag trying to get into her pants. But if you’re unaffected, and if you come back at her with even more playfulness and ease, if you accept her insecurity and rest with it, bringing her up to your level with confidence and care, then you’re reaffirming to her that, in fact, you are a ridiculously hot guy she just met. It’s a win/win situation for her. If you fail, you expose yourself as a fraud and she can rest easy. If you pass with flying colors, then she knows she really has a catch. It’s win/win for her. That’s why she does it.

          So, how to tell the difference between teases/shit-tests/rejections? Keep this in mind:
          - If she makes a derogatory comment with playful and fun intentions and she likes you, then she is teasing you and flirting. This is GOOD. It means she likes you.
          - If she makes a derogatory comment with serious intentions and she likes you, then she is testing you. This is GOOD. It means she REALLY likes you.
          - If she makes a derogatory comment with serious intention and she doesn’t like you, then she is rejecting you. This is also GOOD. Because we don’t want to waste our time with girls who aren’t interested in us.

          Like I said, the first and third options are by far the most common. I think most guys would be served well by ignoring the shit test concept for the most part until they get a fair amount of experience under their belt. Chances are you won’t get tested often early in an interaction, especially if you’re not generating much attraction. If the girls aren’t attracted to you, they’re not testing you, they’re rejecting you.

          A caveat to all of this is if there is something highly unique or outstanding about you. For instance, if you’re much older than her, or you dress in an extreme or bizarre way, expect to be tested frequently and early. In these cases, women are doing it to test your congruence and confidence. If you walk around with a fuzzy top hat, or are hitting on girls 20 years younger than yourself, that implies a lot of confidence and gusto. Therefore women are going to want to test that in you quite a bit before they trust you.


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          • No More Mr Nice Guy
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            That helped...thanks!

            But still not a lot of explanation about how to recognize an actual shit test. He says to read his earlier article, but I couldn’t find it.

            And why is it called a shit test???

        • #6
          Originally posted by No More Mr Nice Guy View Post
          “I’ve read up a bit, but never found a good description.
          Let's try:

          A woman wants to make sure your traits she is attracted to are real and not faked. Therefore she acts in a way to provoke a reaction, verbal or action, that makes it easier for her to asses if her attraction is justified. She is probing for authenticity.

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          • No More Mr Nice Guy
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            That’s not bad, actually.

            Would it be accurate to rephrase this as. ‘She is testing to see if you are bullshitting or not”?

            And calling it an “authenticity test” would be a hell of a lot more self explanatory!

          • Delenclos

            Delenclos

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            Cheers.

            Reading my quick definition again, I feel that something might be missing. It’s my experience, that a woman doesn’t only mistrust the authenticity of the attractive traits she perceives, but her own perception as well. She might be confused about her feelings and provokes a reaction that helps her see clearer.

            Women even use this to manipulate their own feelings:
            1. She is attracted and confused, maybe a bit scared and out of control.
            2. She acts in a strange way, is unfriendly, unreasonable, sneaky, crazy.
            3. Whatever you do, your reaction probably makes you look stupid, awkward or mean.
            4. She doesn't feel attraction anymore and is in control again.

        • #7
          I don’t like the shit tests topic. It always gets me in my head, plus I was “congruent” with myself for years and never got laid. Must have been failing shit tests, but wasn’t faking anything, just being myself. But now that I’m more of an actor playing the role women are attracted to, I’m getting more results. So it seems like just a matter of attractive behaviours vs. Unnatractive behaviours rather than congruent vs. Incongruent. I’m hardly the smooth ladies man but I can fake it. Congruency, however, never got me laid.

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          • No More Mr Nice Guy
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            Yeah, it seems to be an even more problematic concept for you than it is for me..I was thinking of you when I asked the question.

            I think you’d be better off just not thinking about it...at least until we have more clarity.

            And you definitely shouldn’t assume that you’ve been “failing shit tests” all these years...you clearly don’t understand the concept well enough to come to that conclusion.

            And neither do I, of course...hence my question.

          • SargeMaximus

            SargeMaximus

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            Yeah I agree. It’s just an enigma that fucks with my mind and kicks me out of state.
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