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  • Listing some of the broader subjects discussed in PU

    Please help me improve titles, and remind me of the ones I forgot!
    (good titles are hard to come up with)

    -Body (improving it)
    -Enterprise (improvement put into system)
    -Zone/Breezing (What puts you into motion, when its time to shine.)
    -Biting (='approaching' - the word I hate so much..)
    -Kino/physical
    -Fun vibes
    -Attract (the shapes/forms of teasing, pushing away etc.)
    -Sexual vibes

  • #2
    Always interesting to categorise a subject.
    What’s the purpose of your list, are you thinking about a new channel structure for the forum?

    Your "Body" category would be "Body and Mind" for me.
    How about adding a "Fashion and Style" category.
    "Biting" is misleading. "Starting the Interaction" instead?

    Would like to contribute more, but would need to know the context.

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      Thanks! Yea 'interaction' is pretty good! Maybe exchange (as in 'exchange of words') Style yes, obviously good.
      I dont think there is context. Or rather, the idea of such labels is to provide context, rather than rely on context themselves. (Which is why its difficult imo.)

    • No More Mr Nice Guy
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      Instead of Approaching, how about Initiating? The seducer initiates the interaction (usually).

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      I like initiate!

  • #3
    There is always a context. In this case, it's what I find important (could also be read as a process from A to B or as a course-plan at seduction academy:-)


    - Body and Mind –- How to develop positive energy and presence

    - Attitude –- How to communicate your personality through action

    - Rhetoric –- How to communicate your personality verbally

    - Fashion, Style, Design –- How to communicate your personality through form

    - Logistics – Planning and Preparing (Most important for me in these days!)

    - Screening –- Where, When and How to find women you like

    - Starting interaction –- Day-game, Evening-game, Night-game, Online-game, Social-Circle game

    - Physical techniques –- Kino, How to use your body, Kissing, Dancing

    - Psychological techniques –- Frame control, Re-framing, NLP, Calmness, Abundance mentality

    - Awareness/Self-Awareness - Understanding what is happening, while in the situation, Recognising traps, red flags and mind games, reading other people's body language, reading between the lines, social/cultural awareness

    - Sexual techniques (sounds more mechanical than it should) –- Being good in bed

    - Relationship mastery –- Having the kind of relationship you really want and everybody involved is happy with it

    - Education –- How to get better.

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      Very interesting takes!
      I always had the feeling that relationships are a bit of a separate entity.
      Awareness as a positive is nice! Is there a word out there that is the sum of awareness and proactiveness? E.g. ninja-like?
      Rhetoric is very good word! Similar to attitude, but more concrete. A different area would be verbal tricks like 'nlp' etc I guess?
      Im thinking about 'sexual'... maybe split it into:
      -Tension
      -Sex
      I mean, what we do throughout an interaction, has a lot to do with the sexual tensions.. There is also a question I have.. does sex belong together with kino and dancing? Because Ive seen that high level PUAs often draw a lot of lines between these things.

    • Delenclos

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      I am sure there is some overlapping and for a different purpose, these categories would have to be different.

      Relationship Mastery would include all kinds of relationships - Mono, Open, FB, F+, MLTR, ONS… One would have exactly the kind of relationship one desires, be open and unapologetic about it and everybody involved would be happy. I imagine this to be the hardest skill to master. Might even be impossible in the long run.

      Proactiveness would be a result of Body and Mind. Awareness means that you interpret a situation while in the situation. You could see it as damage control b e f o r e you make a mistake. Most people see what they could have done better only when they look back. Awareness comes with experience.

      In this model, Tension (or Creating Tension) would be filed under Psychological techniques. Tension is certainly one of my most powerful tools. Tension is also part of Body and Mind, because one has to have the right mind-set to endure a lot of tension before one can use it in an interaction.

      Yes, of course, Sex, Kino and Dancing are related. Kino and Dancing, done well, can lead to Sex. Sexual Technique is a Physical Technique, but I thought it is so important and »specialised«, that it deserves its own category.

  • #4
    Yeah PU has a lot of sub categories and styles. There are also things that are not as directly related to PU that affect it (which I thought was where this thread was headed). What does enterprise mean? Is that like making a pick up method like mystery method etc?

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      Enterprise is probably a bit misleading. What I mean is how you force yourself to stay on track with your 'project', whatever that may be. (Especially, systematically capturing and implementing your best ideas, rather than forgetting about them.)

    • Delenclos

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      I see Enterprise as putting your experiences into a system to lern more efficiently.

  • #5
    inner game - having strong beliefs that you are enough, women love sex, you can give women better experiences sexual and otherwise than other men, belief that you are the prize, belief that you have standards. basically having the meta frame that you are the prize and the corresponding frames to reinforce your meta frame.

    demonstrating high value - now a defunct term more or less. however, i believe it is important to know how to brag through stories rather than overtly bragging.

    intrigue/uncertainty - keep her in the dark by using things like push/pull and other types of mixed signals

    cold reading

    social conditioning - using it in your favor when it benefits you (looks matter is a good belief if you're good looking. ignoring it when it goes against you (believing being 5'8 is not going to negatively effect you and being prepared to handle shit tests regarding it)

    being on the same team - a lot of men look at the relationship between men and women as adversarial. in my opinion it is best to view men and women as on the same team. it is not how can i defeat you. it's how can you and i defeat the problem.

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    • allmyfriendsaredead
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      i agree with incidental detail part. the story just happened to take place in the swiss alps. this is far more effective than overtly stating “i’m a world traveler.” plus you can combine it with things like nested loops to create intrigue around your value.

      “this reminds me of one of my craziest nights”
      “what night was that”
      it was in december two years ago, i can’t tell you the exact night”
      “not what night of the year silly what happened?”
      “well id spent the entire day skiing and as the train winded through the mountains of switzerland i began to see my stop approaching. i was in enchatered territory and had just parted ways with my mates. as i looked up i saw tall nigerian man who would become my best friend for that crazy night.”
      “yes! go on”
      “so as we started to exit the train i introduced myself to this goliath of a man...”

      you’re demonstarying that your adventurous by going off on your own. your demonstrating your social and unintimdated befriending an enormous black man. and your displaying that your a world traveler. but you never overtly disclose any of it. the open loops create intrigue and she just keeps wanting to know more about how awesome you are.

    • Grodmeister General
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      going off from friends to talk to a mysterious guy is not an attract or dhv spike , the spikes are the 5 or 6 mystery talked about .

    • allmyfriendsaredead
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      idk much about mystery

  • #6
    Originally posted by allmyfriendsaredead View Post
    being on the same team - a lot of men look at the relationship between men and women as adversarial. in my opinion it is best to view men and women as on the same team. it is not how can i defeat you. it's how can you and i defeat the problem.
    This statement was very interesting imo - I feel you can read various things into this. You can read it in the sense of GWM that girls love sex and crave it just as desperately (if not even more so) than men do.. or you can read it as a suggestion to 'open up' more to girls.. or you can read it as a suggestion to be 'nice' to girls.. latter two being in the old 'book of sins', but that book is currently being heavily revised.. reading this makes me kinda want to field test some of those things!

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    • allmyfriendsaredead
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      i think opening up and being nice are good things. romanticism in doses works very well. my pickup strategy is a little on the weird side i do stuff that’s “wrong” but it works for me. julien blanc releases a product called drama about using push pull with emotional vulnerability. this makes it seem like the girl has won you over. so she’s the only one who gets you to open up. “it’s just different with you.” and “usually i’m an asshole but deep down i’m nice and i just want to be nice with you.” practicing this “drama game” really opened me up to romantic game.

      also you can look at it as simply as just using “we statements.” i make it very clear with women that were on the same team. the world has become so devisive. you have far left and far right with few moderates remaining, at least it seems this way in america. then you have feminism vs men. i think most women don’t villainous men or want to be treated different. i treat girls i sleep with as friends.

      i was married prior to finding pua. i had a very adversarial view on men vs women and thought i’d never be in a monogamous relationship again. what i learned was failed relationships were my fault. as the man it is my responsibility to control the underlying meanings of relationships and interactions.

      here's a video i made as a response to someone asking how to make girls obsessed over at the rsd forum
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKhDQ6YIICE&t=18s


      also with this part you've probably thought this way before "it's how can you and i defeat the problem"
      when you first meet the problem is we both want to have sex, how can we make that happen and you be comfortable. by far the best frame to handle asd and the like is by destroying the problem before it comes a problem as a team. how can we make this a comfortable experience where we don't feel judged.

  • #7
    For the record Ive been profusely against bragging to girls in the past, but I no longer hold this view. Sure there are bad ways of doing it, like there is for all things. But I have witnessed a guy who pulls it off really well.

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    • #8
      Originally posted by ijjjji View Post
      For the record Ive been profusely against bragging to girls in the past, but I no longer hold this view. Sure there are bad ways of doing it, like there is for all things. But I have witnessed a guy who pulls it off really well.
      most of the basic game teachings are from another era. don’t be stuck in the past. i will say i wouldn’t overtly brag regardless. no need to dhv story tell but you definitely don’t wanna just brag to brag. that hasn’t changed.

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      • Guest's Avatar
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        Would you go as far as to say an area of PU is to stay 'up to date' with the times?
        (The only guy who systematically does this around here is Skills360 iirc.)

      • allmyfriendsaredead
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        i don’t see why you wouldn’t adjust your game based on the changing political climate. but at the core nothing really changes. women still generally respond to the same things. but i’m not all about having to constantly be calibrating because i’m behaving in a way that is no longer appropriate.

    • #9
      Each to their own. None of my favourite gamers use DHV stories OR NLP stuff to be honest. As with all things game, depends on whose philosophy you follow and who your 'guru' is etc

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      • #10
        Digression - We had a funny discussion at work the other day about bragging disguised as complaints, and we invented a funny new word for it in Norwegian (and look there is even an English term).. turns out, people (ourselves included) to it habitually. So now we have a lot of fun calling one another out on it.

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        • Delenclos

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          Humble bragging is similar to passive agressive. You want to do/say one thing that is seen as negative and cover it with a coat of sugar.

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          Yeah thats probably the type I use the most myself. I could probably write an essay on that one lol.
          There are other types too, like the one where you complain to friends or colleagues about other guys hitting on your GF when you take her shopping..
          Im sure there are many more too.

          Such things are part of what you called 'rhetoric'?

      • #11
        free associating should also be of utmost importance. even if you use canned material like a pro, if you can’t free associate in an attractive way you’re gonna get thrown for a curve.

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        • Grodmeister General
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          what do you mean free associating ,we gotta link up again this weekend if you can playa!

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          For me, this was unlocked entirely by expanding my canned material. Probably because when you always have something to fall back on, the mind can relax and creativity blooms..

        • allmyfriendsaredead
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          free association is like vibing. it’s talking without thinking. it’s somehing actors do. like improv.
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