I've been meaning to write a post about this for maybe 6 months. I wasn't quite sure how to word or frame it. I know most guys are immediately going to say pick up is a skill and you don't need to be rich, good looking, etc to regularly get quality girls. I agree.
Well I theoretically agree... After hitting 100+ lays I've analyzed my quality and I'd have to admit it's around 7 (maybe for just student age girls I could inflate it to 8).
I think in reality there are in fact huge lifestyle trade offs that can/need to be made to access the 8+. This is especially true as we age and try to pickup girls who aren't students/young professionals. It's also more important if you live in a tier one city where there is competition from guys with game + money + looks.
Often just the fact that there are invitations/options for high end parties, venues, clubs catering to this class of men/women makes gaming the top shelf pussy difficult. Whether or not the chick actually goes to any of these can be irrelevant if she has that paradigm in her head.
It also has to be considered that most 9-10s get skimmed out of the bucket of available girls. They may look available but they're kinda not. Not free anyway. Their value is so high they're rarely fucking unless you have physical/social value of equal or higher quality (or you pay). Yes you occasionally get lucky but 9-10 on the regular? Even with the dopest game you wouldn't have access to these chicks without dropping serious time and cash (either straight to her or on your lifestyle).
For instance I'm in Japan now where most of the truly hot women I see are bar girls/whores. Guys claim they can game hostesses but the accounts I've read involve going to their bar and splashing some cash for an hour or two, gaming them, getting their info, texting, then coming back when they're getting off shift at 3-4am. This form of game it's a significant investment at $50-100/hour plus staying up all night.
Best case scenario you're out $100 and fucking at 5am. Say goodbye to your entire weekend. So no free time during the day bc you're sleeping. I like to go to museums and things that are only open daytime. For some guys this is less of an issue bc your gym is 24 hours and you can watch a movie online whenever. If you want to see shit you just save it for a vacation or "I'll do it another time..." Well also consider how unhealthy it is staying up late. Plus the cigarette smoke in those places is super unhealthy.
I'm sure there are guys here who have successful niches. You figured out what works for you given your age, looks, budget, time, level of interest/investment in new pussy. Maybe your lucky and you live in a country with anti-smoking laws enforced. Maybe you have awesome logistics and don't need to worry about the additional $50 cab ride each night. Or the extra comfort bounce that costs $50. Or all the other little add ONS like dry cleaning, extra luggage checked, high value hotel room, etc that are par for the course to run this kind of game. IDK how anyone could actually do this on the reg without being a multimillionaire.
From what I read many guys here have a harem. The 8+ girls drop off eventually anyway. The -8 girls have good personalities/high quality of her actual lay. I'm sure there's lots of other factors that are highly personal. But still I don't think anyone here would say he's banging new 8+ weekly.
Personally I feel that I've reached a glass ceiling in quality. I do see a few 8+ girls around city centers (less so at venues like bars clubs I can afford) but converting them is so low. I feel like it's not a matter of game. Even with my temporary international arbitrages I'm finding it difficult to bang anything above an 8.
Take a look at this manosphere guy GManifesto:
https://realchristianmcqueen.com/201...erview-part-i/
He posts a lot on Roosh. He caught a lot of flack 5-10 years ago but now everyone idolizes him. What's not to like?
-Seems like he's a self made multimillionaire.
-Baller apartment life in NYC and Miami.
-Every high class restaurant, bar, etc on complete lock.
-Rarely dresses in anything but custom suits.
-Smokes cigarettes and advocates them as part of game.
-Advocates drinking hard at most expensive venues.
-Advocates staying out late and having car service.
-Rarely leaves his "feifdom" to travel.
-If he does its for a 5star vacation in a world city.
-Claims to have spent his 20s as a carefree drug dealing surfer in North of France banging topless beach bunnies.
A guy like this is living the dream. Or is he? maybe...
There was a point in time where I had the opportunity to work hard and gain this lifestyle for myself. I knew the amount of work was going to severely limit my free time. I wouldn't be able to go on adventures and explore far flung reaches of the world for months at a time. Etc. etc. Point is I didn't feel like the lifestyle trade off was worth sacrificing my 20-30s.
After I traveled for several years I took a break to finish school. I got in touch with a friend who had made the sacrifice. He worked hard and now had the apt, mansion, private jet, 5 star vacations, etc. It was basically everything this Gmanifesto guy was doing. Granted his game was much than it was in years previous but it was still off. His biggest problem was relying on money to buy his way into places for VIP treatment, bottle service, etc.
Now being a smart biz oriented guy he saw his problem. So offered me to join his crew. In me he saw a good looking guy wth some game who brought that to the table. The problem was I didn't really enjoy his lifestyle. I was glad to finally have access to the venues and pussy. But I felt they none of it had any inherent value. Like it was a big waste of time. I was traveling around with him wasting absurd amounts of time and (his) money. Even got a new Nordstrom wardrobe on his dime. But it was still a pretty boring lifestyle when you compare it to the freedom I'd had previously.
Looking back Id say my friend had some things right but some things still wrong. He maximized his looks and physique by buying best clothes and food money can buy. However his business tied him to a tier 2 city with rather conservative values. His game was lacking and his opportunity was limited enough that he wasn't even getting laid that much unless he flew his jet to LV, LA,NY,MIA and did the predictable club thing.
To me this life got boring real quick. Especially considering that the only real culture we ever got was maybe a hyped up theatrical show. I wasnt even paying for it and I STILL felt like I was sacrificing way too much of my time, health, freedom, curiosity, etc.
You do all this work. Great you bang a hot girl ONCE. Then go out and repeat. So much effort over and over. I watched another dude in the entourage try to convert a one time bang into something. She of course lived in EU and he ends up heartbroken after dragging it out a year.
Then I look at the GManifesto. The guy seems to be one of the few players consistently crushing it. But check this. Every so often a guy on Roosh will ask don't you sweat balls walking around in a suit in Miami or wherever. Guess what he doesn't bother answering. Bc the answer is no. His lifestyle doesn't work like that. It's effectively so "tight" there's no random walking around like that. He's not going to venues that aren't slick. His life is probably the closest thing to a scripted James Bond movie as you could get. Minus one big thing. There's no action or adventure. The best he will actually do is jet skiing around the shoreline or eating imported game meats then posting on Twitter about it like a bimbo.
Is he going to go to the third world? India? Probably not. If he does is he going to hit a bunch of sightseeing spots and try to get a real sense of things on the ground walking a beat? No he's going to do the Taj Mahal VIP service my friend got where they literally scatter rose petals ahead of you as you walk.
A lot of this lifestyle isn't worth thinking too much about. It's not something that is attainable/sustainable for most people. And if you do manage to get there you're going to have very little free time. That translates as night gaming in your little fiefdom, some weekends smoking cigars and gambling, and maybe some short vacations to somewhere "exotic" like BCN lol. Im not at all hating. I'd love to win the lottery and have my own Manhattan, Maimi, etc fiefdoms as long as I can still travel the world, too.
So what do I really want? I think what I want is unrealistic even if I learn killer game. Regular access to 8+ girls without spending a lot of money, time, staying up late, being unhealthy and tied down to tier one cities.
Yet it can't be denied. A guy with the money+game+lifestyle is going to kill it. In a way that a guy with good game and decent money probably just can't access. I'd love to hear experiences regarding this. Not opinions but actual experiences you yourself have had gaming 8+ or maybe a close friend.
Well I theoretically agree... After hitting 100+ lays I've analyzed my quality and I'd have to admit it's around 7 (maybe for just student age girls I could inflate it to 8).
I think in reality there are in fact huge lifestyle trade offs that can/need to be made to access the 8+. This is especially true as we age and try to pickup girls who aren't students/young professionals. It's also more important if you live in a tier one city where there is competition from guys with game + money + looks.
Often just the fact that there are invitations/options for high end parties, venues, clubs catering to this class of men/women makes gaming the top shelf pussy difficult. Whether or not the chick actually goes to any of these can be irrelevant if she has that paradigm in her head.
It also has to be considered that most 9-10s get skimmed out of the bucket of available girls. They may look available but they're kinda not. Not free anyway. Their value is so high they're rarely fucking unless you have physical/social value of equal or higher quality (or you pay). Yes you occasionally get lucky but 9-10 on the regular? Even with the dopest game you wouldn't have access to these chicks without dropping serious time and cash (either straight to her or on your lifestyle).
For instance I'm in Japan now where most of the truly hot women I see are bar girls/whores. Guys claim they can game hostesses but the accounts I've read involve going to their bar and splashing some cash for an hour or two, gaming them, getting their info, texting, then coming back when they're getting off shift at 3-4am. This form of game it's a significant investment at $50-100/hour plus staying up all night.
Best case scenario you're out $100 and fucking at 5am. Say goodbye to your entire weekend. So no free time during the day bc you're sleeping. I like to go to museums and things that are only open daytime. For some guys this is less of an issue bc your gym is 24 hours and you can watch a movie online whenever. If you want to see shit you just save it for a vacation or "I'll do it another time..." Well also consider how unhealthy it is staying up late. Plus the cigarette smoke in those places is super unhealthy.
I'm sure there are guys here who have successful niches. You figured out what works for you given your age, looks, budget, time, level of interest/investment in new pussy. Maybe your lucky and you live in a country with anti-smoking laws enforced. Maybe you have awesome logistics and don't need to worry about the additional $50 cab ride each night. Or the extra comfort bounce that costs $50. Or all the other little add ONS like dry cleaning, extra luggage checked, high value hotel room, etc that are par for the course to run this kind of game. IDK how anyone could actually do this on the reg without being a multimillionaire.
From what I read many guys here have a harem. The 8+ girls drop off eventually anyway. The -8 girls have good personalities/high quality of her actual lay. I'm sure there's lots of other factors that are highly personal. But still I don't think anyone here would say he's banging new 8+ weekly.
Personally I feel that I've reached a glass ceiling in quality. I do see a few 8+ girls around city centers (less so at venues like bars clubs I can afford) but converting them is so low. I feel like it's not a matter of game. Even with my temporary international arbitrages I'm finding it difficult to bang anything above an 8.
Take a look at this manosphere guy GManifesto:
https://realchristianmcqueen.com/201...erview-part-i/
He posts a lot on Roosh. He caught a lot of flack 5-10 years ago but now everyone idolizes him. What's not to like?
-Seems like he's a self made multimillionaire.
-Baller apartment life in NYC and Miami.
-Every high class restaurant, bar, etc on complete lock.
-Rarely dresses in anything but custom suits.
-Smokes cigarettes and advocates them as part of game.
-Advocates drinking hard at most expensive venues.
-Advocates staying out late and having car service.
-Rarely leaves his "feifdom" to travel.
-If he does its for a 5star vacation in a world city.
-Claims to have spent his 20s as a carefree drug dealing surfer in North of France banging topless beach bunnies.
A guy like this is living the dream. Or is he? maybe...
There was a point in time where I had the opportunity to work hard and gain this lifestyle for myself. I knew the amount of work was going to severely limit my free time. I wouldn't be able to go on adventures and explore far flung reaches of the world for months at a time. Etc. etc. Point is I didn't feel like the lifestyle trade off was worth sacrificing my 20-30s.
After I traveled for several years I took a break to finish school. I got in touch with a friend who had made the sacrifice. He worked hard and now had the apt, mansion, private jet, 5 star vacations, etc. It was basically everything this Gmanifesto guy was doing. Granted his game was much than it was in years previous but it was still off. His biggest problem was relying on money to buy his way into places for VIP treatment, bottle service, etc.
Now being a smart biz oriented guy he saw his problem. So offered me to join his crew. In me he saw a good looking guy wth some game who brought that to the table. The problem was I didn't really enjoy his lifestyle. I was glad to finally have access to the venues and pussy. But I felt they none of it had any inherent value. Like it was a big waste of time. I was traveling around with him wasting absurd amounts of time and (his) money. Even got a new Nordstrom wardrobe on his dime. But it was still a pretty boring lifestyle when you compare it to the freedom I'd had previously.
Looking back Id say my friend had some things right but some things still wrong. He maximized his looks and physique by buying best clothes and food money can buy. However his business tied him to a tier 2 city with rather conservative values. His game was lacking and his opportunity was limited enough that he wasn't even getting laid that much unless he flew his jet to LV, LA,NY,MIA and did the predictable club thing.
To me this life got boring real quick. Especially considering that the only real culture we ever got was maybe a hyped up theatrical show. I wasnt even paying for it and I STILL felt like I was sacrificing way too much of my time, health, freedom, curiosity, etc.
You do all this work. Great you bang a hot girl ONCE. Then go out and repeat. So much effort over and over. I watched another dude in the entourage try to convert a one time bang into something. She of course lived in EU and he ends up heartbroken after dragging it out a year.
Then I look at the GManifesto. The guy seems to be one of the few players consistently crushing it. But check this. Every so often a guy on Roosh will ask don't you sweat balls walking around in a suit in Miami or wherever. Guess what he doesn't bother answering. Bc the answer is no. His lifestyle doesn't work like that. It's effectively so "tight" there's no random walking around like that. He's not going to venues that aren't slick. His life is probably the closest thing to a scripted James Bond movie as you could get. Minus one big thing. There's no action or adventure. The best he will actually do is jet skiing around the shoreline or eating imported game meats then posting on Twitter about it like a bimbo.
Is he going to go to the third world? India? Probably not. If he does is he going to hit a bunch of sightseeing spots and try to get a real sense of things on the ground walking a beat? No he's going to do the Taj Mahal VIP service my friend got where they literally scatter rose petals ahead of you as you walk.
A lot of this lifestyle isn't worth thinking too much about. It's not something that is attainable/sustainable for most people. And if you do manage to get there you're going to have very little free time. That translates as night gaming in your little fiefdom, some weekends smoking cigars and gambling, and maybe some short vacations to somewhere "exotic" like BCN lol. Im not at all hating. I'd love to win the lottery and have my own Manhattan, Maimi, etc fiefdoms as long as I can still travel the world, too.
So what do I really want? I think what I want is unrealistic even if I learn killer game. Regular access to 8+ girls without spending a lot of money, time, staying up late, being unhealthy and tied down to tier one cities.
Yet it can't be denied. A guy with the money+game+lifestyle is going to kill it. In a way that a guy with good game and decent money probably just can't access. I'd love to hear experiences regarding this. Not opinions but actual experiences you yourself have had gaming 8+ or maybe a close friend.
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