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  • Banging 18-21 year olds (night game)

    So, now that im 31, I feel almost self-conscious going for much younger girls, but I know thats just all bullshit

    I was in a club last night...full of smoking hot 18-21 year olds but they felt to me like they were 12 from my point of view.

    It took me about an hour to adjust before I loosened up a bit and got the ball rolling, but it initially kinda threw me off seeing how super young and pretty the girls were...as if they were fragile low hanging fruit 9s and 10s. This was a high end club were everyone was dressed up, the girls were caked with makeup, high heels..the works. So most likely they were closer to the 21 mark than 18, who probably cant afford to go to a club like that

    How does anyone else handle super young girls like this? I know its all bullshit and even one of my friends said theres nothing wrong with a guy in his early 30s going for 21 year olds...but honestly, it just felt to me like they were 12 and i was like this creepy older guy going after them (not all, as I did adjust after a while and loosen up, but thats how I felt when I got in).

    It's as if I felt I would be taking advantage of them, seeing how clueless and fragile they are.

    Granted I wanted to fuck a whole bunch of the club

    Weirdly I dont feel this way fucking older women..ive fucked many who are 10-15 years older and never thought twice about it, so maybe its just me. I guess any relationship with a super young girl has to be based purely on sex..there would be nothing else worth pursuing apart from that. But yeh, probably im just full of bullshit. Thoughts?
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    Key lessons:
    - The brain is a bullshit feeder
    - People don't exist in the way you think they do
    - Early rising makes a world of difference

    My journals:

    Sexual game journal
    Fundamentals journal
    Club game approaching journal
    Brain programming journal

  • #2
    "Granted I wanted to fuck a whole bunch of the club" _Impulse

    So, then do it! This is some m-w/ white knight thoughts honestly. Break social norms and provide a ridiculous sexual adventure for some hot 18-21 looking to do that.

    That's what comfort is for, and understanding archetypes, sex talk brings out her fantasies. Just because she's a young woman, doesn't mean she isn't a woman in her sexual prime looking for adventure and fun. I'd guess it'd be easier to bring back a group of girls that age and have a great after party.
    In Ictu Oculi

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    • #3
      I've got an 18 yr old high schooler as my favorite FB at the moment. She's captain of the volleyball team and got her braces taken off a couple weeks ago. She says she's never been fucked like me before (easy to achieve with an 18 yr old tbh) and likes for me to call her my little high school slut as I fuck her with my big 38 year old cock. Hotness and a mutual win/win. Why deny yourself?

      Originally posted by Impulse View Post
      SI guess any relationship with a super young girl has to be based purely on sex..there would be nothing else worth pursuing apart from that. But yeh, probably im just full of bullshit. Thoughts?
      Yep, mostly based on sex (and weed, and ordering delivery during sex breaks). I've opened her up more sexually already and she gets a thrill from the idea of bondange. I'll start lightly tying her up next time, break her in slowly over time so I can enjoy the whole thing unfold more. You can have a good 1-2 yr FB type relationship built solely on sex, ESPECIALLY with a young girl for whom everything is a first. Such a fantastic relationship to have a hot lil thing coming to you for her sexual needs and exploration.

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      • #4
        Thanks guys, you're right..this is what I need to hear...shes a woman in her sexual prime, and im just buying into society's bullshit big time...I guess I need to take more of a "red pill" and be outside the social norm here

        I guess on some level I didnt feel as if I was attractive to them (which I know is bullshit..I was getting majorly checked out last night by some cracking 9s , blondes who were like 20-21)....

        Probably not all younger women will find me attractive, but that goes with any group of women at any age. So...im full of shit basically and need to sort my head a little here...in fact im probably MORE attractive as a guy in my early 30s than if I was their age
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        Key lessons:
        - The brain is a bullshit feeder
        - People don't exist in the way you think they do
        - Early rising makes a world of difference

        My journals:

        Sexual game journal
        Fundamentals journal
        Club game approaching journal
        Brain programming journal

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Impulse View Post
          Thanks guys, you're right..this is what I need to hear...shes a woman in her sexual prime, and im just buying into society's bullshit big time...I guess I need to take more of a "red pill" and be outside the social norm here
          I'm almost always with exceptionally younger girls, recently (as I've crossed the age of 18 x 2) half my age or LESS (18 year olds are 20 years younger). I'll go out in public with them all the time in a "couple" looking way, I like to hit breakfast with girls sometimes when they stay over. No one seems to bat an eye at me being with an 18 year old. I'm not OLD looking though. . I'm a fit health stylish young-looking guy for whom it makes 100% sense that I'm with a hot young girl, there's no "creepy" even from a societal standard place, at least if you don't know our numeric ages (IE we look like we make sense together at a glance). If I looked old or gray or unstylish or flabby it may be different (I try to stay inside the bubble. Let me clarify that its the the Tina Fey definition of "bubble" I often reference, so ijjjji doesn't come yell at me (read first part of the "plot" section): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bubble_(30_Rock))

          Not sure this is even a blue pill thing? Or maybe I'm just so far gone by now. . in the red pill corner of the world where everyone is super chill, non judgmental, minds their own happy business with a smile as the cultural norm.

          Originally posted by Impulse View Post
          in fact im probably MORE attractive as a guy in my early 30s than if I was their age
          Yes. This is an actual scientific fact too, not just a rhetorical "in fact."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pureevil View Post
            I'm almost always with exceptionally younger girls, recently (as I've crossed the age of 18 x 2) half my age or LESS (18 year olds are 20 years younger). I'll go out in public with them all the time in a "couple" looking way, I like to hit breakfast with girls sometimes when they stay over. No one seems to bat an eye at me being with an 18 year old. I'm not OLD looking though. . I'm a fit health stylish young-looking guy for whom it makes 100% sense that I'm with a hot young girl, there's no "creepy" even from a societal standard place, at least if you don't know our numeric ages (IE we look like we make sense together at a glance). If I looked old or gray or unstylish or flabby it may be different (I try to stay inside the bubble. Let me clarify that its the the Tina Fey definition of "bubble" I often reference, so ijjjji doesn't come yell at me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bubble_(30_Rock))

            Not sure this is even a blue pill thing? Or maybe I'm just so far gone by now. . in the red pill corner of the world where everyone is super chill, non judgmental, minds their own happy business with a smile as the cultural norm.
            Yeh personally I dont think anyone around here would care if I was with a young girl..I dont look that old but I do have a little facial hair...If I talk to an 18 year old theyd probably say I was like 24..but if I talk to someone in their 30s, theyd think I was 36 lol...it just depends on who you're with really. Plus ive started taking that vitamin C serum that skills recommended to loosen my skin a little and look younger.

            And its also why I think having a 6 pack is such a good idea - with younger girls they wont like the idea of a guy in their 30s with a belly...9s and 10s at her age want a guy who is a 9 and 10 too. And itd be 9s and 10s id be after only (or a super cute 8)

            PE: Do you tell girls you're real age, and how do you handle that? Are you having to lie at the start until youve got a relationship going or what?
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            Key lessons:
            - The brain is a bullshit feeder
            - People don't exist in the way you think they do
            - Early rising makes a world of difference

            My journals:

            Sexual game journal
            Fundamentals journal
            Club game approaching journal
            Brain programming journal

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Impulse View Post
              Yeh personally I dont think anyone around here would care if I was with a young girl..I dont look that old but I do have a little facial hair...If I talk to an 18 year old theyd probably say I was like 24..but if I talk to someone in their 30s, theyd think I was 36 lol...it just depends on who you're with really.
              There's a good 15-25 year period in life, from 20s into 40s, where you can simply maintain a "young adult" look (if you take care of yourself) and its true, your age could be guessed anywhere from mid-20s to late-30s depending on the context. I've found if you fall into this category, no one in "society" will second guess a thing based on how you two look together. If you don't trigger "old" then no one's thinking anything.

              Originally posted by Impulse View Post
              PE: Do you tell girls you're real age, and how do you handle that? Are you having to lie at the start until youve got a relationship going or what?
              I have to say age doesn't seem to really come up except for online where its already announced (and on OKCupid I actually play the age difference to my advatange in a screening/polarizing fashion. Online = polarizing screening game for me, that's the only good use of it). Generally my conversations aren't interview style and so nothing I'm saying will lead them to ask the question of "age." A lot of girls I've fucked from day or night game, even ongoing FBs, probably couldn't tell you how old I was.

              I own it though when asked. You have less than zero to worry about here at 31, enjoy it man! Plenty of time coming down the road where you're going to actually have to worry about age. I ain't there yet though, and I'm 7 yrs older than you. Do NOT waste your 30s allowing yourself to feel old.

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              • #8
                Err, just start with a couple conversations.
                No need to get all bull headed and insecure that you aren't able to have that frame you are used to.
                You shouldn't be more than 51% sold on a girl initially anyway, still plenty to ruminate on and work through in the flirrting process.

                btw, be aware that this post of yours screams "I was wildly uncomfortable"
                It isn't cuz of the girls obviously
                Its something in YOU that is making you all pent up

                What do you think its source REALLY is or could be?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by thecostofsuccess View Post
                  Err, just start with a couple conversations.
                  No need to get all bull headed and insecure that you aren't able to have that frame you are used to.
                  You shouldn't be more than 51% sold on a girl initially anyway, still plenty to ruminate on and work through in the flirrting process.

                  btw, be aware that this post of yours screams "I was wildly uncomfortable"
                  It isn't cuz of the girls obviously
                  Its something in YOU that is making you all pent up

                  What do you think its source REALLY is or could be?
                  Yeh definitely dude....I was wildly uncomfortable...Im trying to pin it down..but I do feel pretty insecure about my appearance even though I get a lot of women checking me out...I want a 6 pack and believe I should have one, given the number of years ive been working out, I really should have a 6 pack.

                  Im not fat or anything..you cant see anything when I have a shirt on...

                  So, im massively improving my diet and trimming down a lot to get that physique. Im tired of having these love handles and jugs and it just makes me look like a slob..im way better than that, and itll give me proof and evidence that I am attractive. I guess I believe on some level that the interest women give me is unfounded, because deep inside Im not accepting of my body with the belly..which I see and loathe every single day

                  Apart from that, yeh subconsciously on some level I still have a lot of shit floating in my head about women...as Ive said elsewhere I have no problem getting wildly checked out by women..last night I can count a whole bunch of women eyeing me up big time (including a cracking little 9 blonde in a high end club which I would have fucked the shit out of). A lot of the time I just freeze and switch off when I get checked out big time...totally hate that when it happens
                  --------------------------
                  Key lessons:
                  - The brain is a bullshit feeder
                  - People don't exist in the way you think they do
                  - Early rising makes a world of difference

                  My journals:

                  Sexual game journal
                  Fundamentals journal
                  Club game approaching journal
                  Brain programming journal

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                  • #10
                    this reminds me of a sticking point that I conquered returned that I was having.

                    originally to get really good at game I had to transcend societal conditioning. It was me against the world. Once I conquered it and became elite I got all the accolades that came along with it.
                    The props, the respect, the results. My ego snuck back in and I was now 'the cool guy'. I abandoned my 'weirdo' identity that actually helped me be indifferent to other people's societal conditioning bullshit.

                    crazy how lessons that I thought I internalized slip away under my feet whilst trying to get other parts of my life handled.

                    I was with an 18 year old last night and yeah it's largely sex based. When I picked her up we barely did any talking and just listened to music till I brought her home. Society cringes at that cause 'women are more than just for sex'. Well if your additional character traits are worth more than just sex, that should be apparent and you shouldn't have to shame us into wanting your 'character'. *eyeroll*

                    fucking annoying how people think they can actually have an opinion of what men want. I want what I fucking want lol don't tell me what I should want.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                      Yeh definitely dude....I was wildly uncomfortable...Im trying to pin it down..but I do feel pretty insecure about my appearance even though I get a lot of women checking me out...I want a 6 pack and believe I should have one, given the number of years ive been working out, I really should have a 6 pack.

                      Im not fat or anything..you cant see anything when I have a shirt on...

                      So, im massively improving my diet and trimming down a lot to get that physique. Im tired of having these love handles and jugs and it just makes me look like a slob..im way better than that, and itll give me proof and evidence that I am attractive. I guess I believe on some level that the interest women give me is unfounded, because deep inside Im not accepting of my body with the belly..which I see and loathe every single day

                      Apart from that, yeh subconsciously on some level I still have a lot of shit floating in my head about women...as Ive said elsewhere I have no problem getting wildly checked out by women..last night I can count a whole bunch of women eyeing me up big time (including a cracking little 9 blonde in a high end club which I would have fucked the shit out of). A lot of the time I just freeze and switch off when I get checked out big time...totally hate that when it happens
                      Hmmm,
                      So you are self referencing too much,

                      Thoughts are a funny thing, they kind of stick to bullshit really easily if you are in that kind of mood.
                      But they can be like teflon too in a slightly adapted mood, you just gotta know how to keep your headspace focused.

                      I think a lot of guys don't want to control their focuses cuz they want maximum reward and indulgence in possible success.
                      But you have to stop thinking from THAT perspective, cuz its clingy (and extra loud and uncomfortable to compensate for that fact).

                      There are SOME sacrifices that occur in preperation phases to enter the right mindsets to get laid.
                      Not soul draining ones or anything, just things you have to be willing to do EMOTIONALLY, upfront.



                      I used to call what you are going through "look-itis"
                      Cuz curing it is the same as curing oneitis, you just reduce the frequency of thoughts on the known subjects. With oneitis its kids, marriage, gooey fantasies in your head, you don't let your brain focus on those things and it'll short out the oneitis. With looks based obsessions, you flag things like "oh I wonder if she thinks this is weird looking" etc, and stop yourself thinking that.

                      THEN after that is done, you start to develop a rapport with the venue, chill out for twenty minutes and just "feel" the place. Don't slink into a corner awkwardly or bounce around with a narrow mindset, just, feel the place's sort of rhythm.

                      Then, you casually look at girls, IF you are scared, avoid looking at them directly until it starts to feel easier. Then slowly work on building up a friendly impression of them. One where things will go well between you and them, where there is no danger of abrupt weirdness.

                      Then, just kinda blur things out a bit, mingle, have fun,
                      Do some joking around, flirting, get into the fun of it.



                      If you do it that way, along that curve, you'll always kinda immerse into the process
                      But if you like go at it like a bull you'll crash through things and feel stupid


                      Its a headspace thing. Its actually quite manageable. You just need to get proper bearings and not lean on stupid dependent/crutch type thoughts.
                      So no blamey stuff on chicks, no self disrespect, no random inner monologue that is yelling or paranoid.
                      I mean typically, the fears are,
                      - oh shit I'll be too aggressive/loud/uncalibrated (then make it healthy/normal)
                      - ah crap a giant void of doom is waiting to suck me up, I want to give up (obviously that is a headspace thing, stop pressuring yourself, get some food or something, it isn't the end of the world, chill)
                      - irrational fear
                      - wanting to overthink
                      - needing to complete a mission (no missions man, just do something cool or on point)

                      All that shit is an illusion,
                      You just need to get to where you start seeing sense
                      Like a normal, happy, friendly reality where things will go ok :P
                      Nothing big

                      Just start at a few words, jokes, kicking the can down the road a bit with her
                      Open up to enjooooying it, don't get too tied down
                      Mingle a bit so a state warms up, then balance your headspace out again so its not all wobbly or stupid but has a normal common sense to it
                      Then once you have that second fun foundation, you use that to go ahead and spice it up

                      Voila

                      edit:


                      Evils bubble clip thing to save anyone the search

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                      • #12
                        Yeh to be honest getting into the fun of it is what I did, and then the bullshit thoughts died down a lot..I got into the rhythm and started around on the dancefloor and stuff..and got into the music..it loosened me up

                        But I still froze when a group of chicks were checking me out big time and they were blatantly interested - like I probably made solid eye contact about 10 times with them..and it was ON, and I still froze...I hate it when that happens and its keeps happening. I was even wagging my tongue out at them and they loved it..thats part of my sexual prizing game, where I show myself as a calm sexual being in a club (instead of just a horny guy). But still I fuckin froze

                        I dunno why it happens..but I guess down deep inside I still dont believe I can have these women...some weird psychological self-image stuff going on there. And I can originate that from a pretty bad one-itis when I was a teenager..and that seriously scarred me (probably my first real negative experience with women) - and on some level that self-image is still there. Otherwise why am I freezing so much still? Thats not normal behavior..sometimes my friends are like: DUDE, THAT GIRL IS CHECKING YOU OUT! YOU IDIOT, DO SOMETHING!! And im like, FUCK! Im frozen!

                        I guess it goes back to gunwitch's advice too - get horny thinking about having sex with her instead of wondering what state your in etc

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                        To get moving, what I normally do is just start talking and talking - even if the person isnt listening at the bar or something, i'll still start talking just to get my mouth moving instead of being in an introverted kinda mindset

                        Thats what I did..I went to the bar, started talking some crap about how crazy the club was, talked to the bartender a bit too and just talked about everything and anything to loosen up a bit

                        I think the type of venue didnt help cos it was a high end cliquey type of club with everyone dressed up..but that again is all mental bullshit and me buying into the frame of the club..im supposed to be the red pill guy

                        I guess I really need to take some more red pills lol..I need to be a bit more outside the matrix. I mean at the start of the night I was in another bar and running sex talk game no problem (ive posted that in the Teevster thread) - so how I ended up on such a negative spiral through the night is kinda scary
                        --------------------------
                        Key lessons:
                        - The brain is a bullshit feeder
                        - People don't exist in the way you think they do
                        - Early rising makes a world of difference

                        My journals:

                        Sexual game journal
                        Fundamentals journal
                        Club game approaching journal
                        Brain programming journal

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                          Yeh to be honest getting into the fun of it is what I did, and then the bullshit thoughts died down a lot..I got into the rhythm and started around on the dancefloor and stuff..and got into the music..it loosened me up
                          Yet you are still freaking out a bit from it? Then that is a containment issue

                          But I still froze when a group of chicks were checking me out big time and they were blatantly interested
                          Just lightly chuckle and smile a lil
                          - like I probably made solid eye contact about 10 times with them.
                          that there is your problem, you wanted it to be secure... You don't need ten looks, one or two glances and you know, the rest is just about taking it at your own pace, don't sit in it or grab at it
                          .and it was ON, and I still froze...I hate it when that happens and its keeps happening.
                          It being on, means you need to feel like its going to happen smoothly too. Otherwise its just getting ahead of yourself
                          I was even wagging my tongue out at them and they loved it..thats part of my sexual prizing game, where I show myself as a calm sexual being in a club (instead of just a horny guy). But still I fuckin froze
                          trying to prize them into seducing themselves, well yeah, that aint gonna work. It isnt a game of points, where at the end of the night the guy with the most points gets the girl, you gotta talk to them or dance with them or interact up close :P

                          I dunno why it happens..but I guess down deep inside I still dont believe I can have these women...some weird psychological self-image stuff going on there.
                          Lol, no, its absense of enough speed. Its like water skiing, or riding a bike, at really low speeds you just sink into the water or topple over, that is no good, you need at least a coasting speed, then you swoop in and say hey
                          And I can originate that from a pretty bad one-itis when I was a teenager
                          has nothing to do with that chick
                          ..and that seriously scarred me (probably my first real negative experience with women) - and on some level that self-image is still there. Otherwise why am I freezing so much still?
                          absense of skills :P
                          Thats not normal behavior..sometimes my friends are like: DUDE, THAT GIRL IS CHECKING YOU OUT! YOU IDIOT, DO SOMETHING!! And im like, FUCK! Im frozen!
                          well, even I used to freeze when put on the spot
                          It takes some logistical juggling to do things right away that you wont have for a good while
                          so don't do it in pressured situations
                          Take some of the pressure off, think about the one thing you wanna know about her, that one itching question, nawing at you, stoppinng you from figuring her out
                          Then think of a way to elicit that info from her,
                          Visualise it going friendly and chill, and don't be hyper, and do that

                          I guess it goes back to gunwitch's advice too - get horny thinking about having sex with her instead of wondering what state your in etc

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                          To get moving, what I normally do is just start talking and talking - even if the person isnt listening at the bar or something, i'll still start talking just to get my mouth moving instead of being in an introverted kinda mindset
                          you gotta stop doing it the dumbass way though
                          there are real skills here
                          develop it properly
                          Thats what I did..I went to the bar, started talking some crap about how crazy the club was, talked to the bartender a bit too and just talked about everything and anything to loosen up a bit

                          I think the type of venue didnt help cos it was a high end cliquey type of club with everyone dressed up..but that again is all mental bullshit and me buying into the frame of the club..im supposed to be the red pill guy
                          lol, "red pill guy" and who the fuck is that?
                          Most guys suck balls
                          Some don't, and the guys that don't, lol aren't "the red pill guy" in their head, that is way too pretentious
                          Of course that'd fuck you up

                          I guess I really need to take some more red pills lol..I need to be a bit more outside the matrix. I mean at the start of the night I was in another bar and running sex talk game no problem (ive posted that in the Teevster thread) - so how I ended up on such a negative spiral through the night is kinda scary
                          Down spirals happen, dont dwell on it, watch a comedy show or sometthing when you get back and shake it off llike water off a ducks back
                          No biggy


                          MANAGE YOUR FOCUSES
                          (notice I quickly lifted each focus up and away from stupid, you gotta do that in your own head, and not be emotionally against it)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cosy
                            Lol, no, its absense of enough speed. Its like water skiing, or riding a bike, at really low speeds you just sink into the water or topple over, that is no good, you need at least a coasting speed, then you swoop in and say hey
                            Its funny you say that, you're right it is an absence of speed..its a movement inertia issue. This is exactly why ive found that doing a morning power walk helps so much with AA - it practically eliminates 90% of it..because your creating movement from your initial inertia (which is when your asleep), and that momentum still carries you on through the day - it goes back to Newtons law of motion- an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted on by a net force.

                            This is why I believe my fundamentals are shakey - I havent conquered early rising and thats a key fundamental I believe is super useful to get in place - from experience it cured 90% of AA and worked wonders for my game

                            But then again ive had times where I didnt have anything like that and still got laid. Thinking back, my best non-needy, purely game lay first happened when I was like 21..I was about 3-4 months into the community by that time. It was running standard MM and purely canned material on a Danish girl, and it just all went plain sailing. And I didnt have any of my fundamentals in check at all. It wasnt a fools mate because I was intentionally bouncing her and running material to enhance her buying temperature etc..I was practically fucking her in the club in the corner and then got her back to mine.

                            Granted I had the benefit of alcohol then so that could be maybe why. But other times ive been laid i just find myself making out and going home with a girl really easy without any of the mental baggage I get on other nights...its hard sometimes to determine the "why". Strange how seduction works
                            --------------------------
                            Key lessons:
                            - The brain is a bullshit feeder
                            - People don't exist in the way you think they do
                            - Early rising makes a world of difference

                            My journals:

                            Sexual game journal
                            Fundamentals journal
                            Club game approaching journal
                            Brain programming journal

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                              Its funny you say that, you're right it is an absence of speed..its a movement inertia issue. This is exactly why ive found that doing a morning power walk helps so much with AA - it practically eliminates 90% of it..because your creating movement from your initial inertia (which is when your asleep), and that momentum still carries you on through the day - it goes back to Newtons law of motion- an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted on by a net force.

                              This is why I believe my fundamentals are shakey - I havent conquered early rising and thats a key fundamental I believe is super useful to get in place - from experience it cured 90% of AA and worked wonders for my game

                              But then again ive had times where I didnt have anything like that and still got laid. Thinking back, my best non-needy, purely game lay first happened when I was like 21..I was about 3-4 months into the community by that time. It was running standard MM and purely canned material on a Danish girl, and it just all went plain sailing. And I didnt have any of my fundamentals in check at all. It wasnt a fools mate because I was intentionally bouncing her and running material to enhance her buying temperature etc..I was practically fucking her in the club in the corner and then got her back to mine.

                              Granted I had the benefit of alcohol then so that could be maybe why. But other times ive been laid i just find myself making out and going home with a girl really easy without any of the mental baggage I get on other nights...its hard sometimes to determine the "why". Strange how seduction works
                              How realistic do you think it is that power walks are how to have momentum?

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