The game has become so much harder now for me that it seems nearly impossible. Every avenue I try is thwarted before I even get my foot in the door. It's not only that the attitudes have become more prudish to meeting stranger 'cold' but also that there are so few girls or people in general going out now vs 10 years ago. Most clubs are 1/3 full at best and most are closed down. The only ones that are now packed are student nights but now in my mid 30s I stick out so much being older but also because I got out solo and admittedly I am too mentally weak to approach enough to make any bases and get any social proof. So I just look like an old depressed creep standing alone on the peripheries of clubs til I leave.
I have been in the game since around 2003-4 and I must admit I have had pathetic results for the time I've been in it even though I have been out consistently from then till now. I did reach my half century relying on just fool's mates which at least kept my mental state just about on an even keel but I have been failing now for so long I just feel fucked!
I can't attest to having anything but very rudimentary 'game' except being able to escalate and logistics for same nighters I have had. It feels like things never came together for me and I am getting older by the day. My old MO has just been wait till 1.30 am or so and look for the drunkies on the dancefloor and grind them makeout more and more and escalate on the dancefloor til they were ready to leave.
With the indirect stuff what I would do is I would practice that early on in the night before the dancefloor was busy and probably get a couple numbers a week and then move to the dancefloor once the girls were ripe. The numbers though were 90% flakes from indirect it used to drive me mad however a couple did pan out which would account for 10% of my lays I'd say.
After seeing it in a link in a post on here I read teevsters 2 part post on nightgame and could not believe how accurate it was! even though he is somewhere in mainland europe the experience of getting 'freebies' (and their demise in this 'new generation') details EXACTLY my experience and where I have gotten 90% of my lays from and also the changing landscape detailing just why I can no longer for the life of me get any fucking results in clubs or anywhere else!
I have always practiced indirect stuff as well cos even back then I was not happy with how much chance was involved with relying on finding a drunk girl. My average was a 3-4 lays a year this way but in the last few years even these became rarer and rarer ending up now as nothing and where it is almost impossible to get even a cheeky grind or a makeout.
I just can't understand how 100% of this demographic of girls have disappeared.
Back then though those freebies gave me a little bit of fun while still working on indirect. You could say that those results made me too lazy to try properly however that can't be true cos I now haven't had anything for 2 fucking years and I still can't get my indirect game up. My self esteem is just totally destroyed as I see all the afcs with girlfriends every day who have never done a single cold approach in their life probably and here is me going out 3-4 nights a week and can't even get past the opener. The problem with indirect is its so loud these days girls will not lean in to listen to what I have to say and not hear me even if I'm shouting they just turn away.
I have gotten a few lays from indirect it's just the lionsshare came from the dancefloor grinds. I have continuing indirect in the past years simply because I have no choice but I just get rejected instantly.
Thing is I have liked going out alone for years now because I found wings would often be more hindrance then a help and in the community there was so much bickering and talking bad behind each other's backs I found it really bad for the self esteem as well so I just left it after a while and continued going out alone. This was manageable when I was getting those sporadic grinds and makeouts and rare lays but things have changed so much and everything has made way so much to focus around social media culture and iphones I just haven't been able to adapt.
I used to do alot of direct in the daytime (night time forget it!) and while there were still 9/10 not good or go nowhere reactions 1/10 used to really light up. In these sjw times I don't even get that! it has now turned into 100% rejections and more often then not, whereas the blow offs were polite or they were flattered, nowadays girls become visibly annoyed at direct or would look at me like I was about to rob or rape them. It turned from nonchalant appreciation to visible anger or hostility at a direct approach. So ye I will not touch direct now.
I am also in my mid 30s now and can no longer get away with blending in with the student crowds that are out in the week. Nearly every time I go to these places now I get comments that I look 'too old to be here'. When I am already feeling out of place that is really the icing on the cake to destroy my state in these places. I also have been banned from going to many places in the city because I just stand in corners alone looking depressed and the bouncers pick up on it after a few weeks of the same behavior and throw me out or search me for drugs and/or tell me not to come back. It is just a disaster! As if the landscape was not bad enough I am either not allowed in or banned from 80% of the few remaining clubs that had any kind of population.
I am really in despair of what to do now. It is just so fucking crushing to know I had even that small success and now I have gotten nowhere for so long I feel often there is no way out. I have thought maybe of leaving the country and looking for a less westernised places because I fucking despise this ultra feminist manhating sjw western society. I tried online game on plenty of fish out of desperation and have been blown out by 90% of girls there too. Just rejected for the slightest thing like saying I like a different music than them or some shit.
I tried daygame all through summer and like I say direct is just fucking useless now and indirect I tried but got very little progress. I got to where I was opening fine but finding sets is so fucking hard in the day especially now it isn't summer it can take hours then you have like 5 seconds to approach and logistical issues all over the place.
I feel just like an outcast now. I also am really not a fan of mainstream culture so I really hate clubs other then to game. People say it is an excuse and you would love it if girls were giving you validation. I agree I would but I feel so depressed now that whenever I go out it is such a chasm away and I only get bad reactions going out to clubs is just soul destroying yet I don't know what else to do. I know most bouncers know me now and not in a good way but as that weird guy who is always alone.
PUA is really an addiction but I don't know what else to do in life. If I stop gaming i get even more depressed because I just look around and see then the only prospects will be becoming some whipped sjw hanging around in a social group which I don't care for and desperately hoping one day one of the girls in it would take a liking to me. Even with my abysmal record when gaming my chances still seem better playing the game than that.
I don't see what the way out is now as I feel I have tried all other options I can think of bar moving country and I have been beaten so long and so badly playing the game I have such little strength to play it properly after years now of negative reactions.
I already felt things were hard enough and now with my increasing age I feel I got nowhere near to my goals and now with each year it's just gonna get harder and harder and time is seriously running out.
I have been in the game since around 2003-4 and I must admit I have had pathetic results for the time I've been in it even though I have been out consistently from then till now. I did reach my half century relying on just fool's mates which at least kept my mental state just about on an even keel but I have been failing now for so long I just feel fucked!
I can't attest to having anything but very rudimentary 'game' except being able to escalate and logistics for same nighters I have had. It feels like things never came together for me and I am getting older by the day. My old MO has just been wait till 1.30 am or so and look for the drunkies on the dancefloor and grind them makeout more and more and escalate on the dancefloor til they were ready to leave.
With the indirect stuff what I would do is I would practice that early on in the night before the dancefloor was busy and probably get a couple numbers a week and then move to the dancefloor once the girls were ripe. The numbers though were 90% flakes from indirect it used to drive me mad however a couple did pan out which would account for 10% of my lays I'd say.
After seeing it in a link in a post on here I read teevsters 2 part post on nightgame and could not believe how accurate it was! even though he is somewhere in mainland europe the experience of getting 'freebies' (and their demise in this 'new generation') details EXACTLY my experience and where I have gotten 90% of my lays from and also the changing landscape detailing just why I can no longer for the life of me get any fucking results in clubs or anywhere else!
I have always practiced indirect stuff as well cos even back then I was not happy with how much chance was involved with relying on finding a drunk girl. My average was a 3-4 lays a year this way but in the last few years even these became rarer and rarer ending up now as nothing and where it is almost impossible to get even a cheeky grind or a makeout.
I just can't understand how 100% of this demographic of girls have disappeared.
Back then though those freebies gave me a little bit of fun while still working on indirect. You could say that those results made me too lazy to try properly however that can't be true cos I now haven't had anything for 2 fucking years and I still can't get my indirect game up. My self esteem is just totally destroyed as I see all the afcs with girlfriends every day who have never done a single cold approach in their life probably and here is me going out 3-4 nights a week and can't even get past the opener. The problem with indirect is its so loud these days girls will not lean in to listen to what I have to say and not hear me even if I'm shouting they just turn away.
I have gotten a few lays from indirect it's just the lionsshare came from the dancefloor grinds. I have continuing indirect in the past years simply because I have no choice but I just get rejected instantly.
Thing is I have liked going out alone for years now because I found wings would often be more hindrance then a help and in the community there was so much bickering and talking bad behind each other's backs I found it really bad for the self esteem as well so I just left it after a while and continued going out alone. This was manageable when I was getting those sporadic grinds and makeouts and rare lays but things have changed so much and everything has made way so much to focus around social media culture and iphones I just haven't been able to adapt.
I used to do alot of direct in the daytime (night time forget it!) and while there were still 9/10 not good or go nowhere reactions 1/10 used to really light up. In these sjw times I don't even get that! it has now turned into 100% rejections and more often then not, whereas the blow offs were polite or they were flattered, nowadays girls become visibly annoyed at direct or would look at me like I was about to rob or rape them. It turned from nonchalant appreciation to visible anger or hostility at a direct approach. So ye I will not touch direct now.
I am also in my mid 30s now and can no longer get away with blending in with the student crowds that are out in the week. Nearly every time I go to these places now I get comments that I look 'too old to be here'. When I am already feeling out of place that is really the icing on the cake to destroy my state in these places. I also have been banned from going to many places in the city because I just stand in corners alone looking depressed and the bouncers pick up on it after a few weeks of the same behavior and throw me out or search me for drugs and/or tell me not to come back. It is just a disaster! As if the landscape was not bad enough I am either not allowed in or banned from 80% of the few remaining clubs that had any kind of population.
I am really in despair of what to do now. It is just so fucking crushing to know I had even that small success and now I have gotten nowhere for so long I feel often there is no way out. I have thought maybe of leaving the country and looking for a less westernised places because I fucking despise this ultra feminist manhating sjw western society. I tried online game on plenty of fish out of desperation and have been blown out by 90% of girls there too. Just rejected for the slightest thing like saying I like a different music than them or some shit.
I tried daygame all through summer and like I say direct is just fucking useless now and indirect I tried but got very little progress. I got to where I was opening fine but finding sets is so fucking hard in the day especially now it isn't summer it can take hours then you have like 5 seconds to approach and logistical issues all over the place.
I feel just like an outcast now. I also am really not a fan of mainstream culture so I really hate clubs other then to game. People say it is an excuse and you would love it if girls were giving you validation. I agree I would but I feel so depressed now that whenever I go out it is such a chasm away and I only get bad reactions going out to clubs is just soul destroying yet I don't know what else to do. I know most bouncers know me now and not in a good way but as that weird guy who is always alone.
PUA is really an addiction but I don't know what else to do in life. If I stop gaming i get even more depressed because I just look around and see then the only prospects will be becoming some whipped sjw hanging around in a social group which I don't care for and desperately hoping one day one of the girls in it would take a liking to me. Even with my abysmal record when gaming my chances still seem better playing the game than that.
I don't see what the way out is now as I feel I have tried all other options I can think of bar moving country and I have been beaten so long and so badly playing the game I have such little strength to play it properly after years now of negative reactions.
I already felt things were hard enough and now with my increasing age I feel I got nowhere near to my goals and now with each year it's just gonna get harder and harder and time is seriously running out.
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