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  • #16
    Originally posted by Velasco View Post

    Then buy hookers. 100% conversion rate.
    ive heard this argument before.

    I want the girl to desire me.

    there's nothing like that submissive/lustful look a girl gives you when you are about to fuck.

    i dont think you can get that from hookers.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Velasco View Post

      lol

      here's what happens when you approach girls who find you attractive but you have no game to close them. "bro she just wasn't interested"

      YaReally (guy who does believe in game) on Chris's famous "how to get laid at a bar in 15 minutes" clip back in 2016:

      "The guy is just THROWING away girls that would have probably fucked him because he’s following zero rules. He’s just randomly trying to kiss them without even qualifying them, 100% trying to go off his looks. If he used just the SLIGHTEST bit of calibration/structure he would probably be able to bang all 4 of these first girls (the first two were compliant at first and the 2nd would have probably been a go because she gave him EC and a smile).

      Like, most of these girls WOULD BE down to fuck if he used any kind of calibration/game instead of this bull in a china shop direct shit. He even walks them outside, which is HUGE compliance, and then he stands them in front of the window where her friends can watch and he risks her looking back at them and getting ASD?? What even IS this. The 4th girl has her ASD triggered when she sees her friend staring them down.

      At 7:30 he takes the girl’s hand. Super. Good move. We all approve. At 8:00 she takes her hand back. Does he read the subcomm on that and work some more rapport/comfort with her? No he keeps talking about himself and then goes full sperg at tries to kiss her out of nowhere with “you’re pretty you’re pretty you’re pretty”.

      9:50 in that GLL vid, the girl is literally pushing him away trying to escape him as he spergily plows forward completely oblivious to her social cues. That’s shitty calibration.

      “Yo ummm wanna go for a walk?” Of course she doesn’t, dumbass, she’s got her friends staring her down ’cause you didn’t make any effort to befriend them and you went from isolation (having her outside) back into non-isolation (standing right in front of her friends) so she can get ASD. And you aren’t even asking on a high point where her emotions are spiked up from a tease/joke you’re just like uncalibratedly throwing the question out there. No seeding where you’re going to walk to or anything…might as well just go up to girls in the middle of their friends and say “Hey, want to fuck?”

      Looks get your foot in the door, game converts that foot in the door to sex.
      looks dont just get your foot in the door or i would never get laid.

      i have major AA issues.

      I still get laid from clubs from girls approaching me.

      i got laid 3 days ago within 20 min of entering the club from a girl approaching me; and me basically dancing with her for 10 min and then getting her home with the good looking loser line "do you want to go for a walk?'

      when we get ti my place, i show her my view and then just start kissing her and we fuck.

      No resistance at all.

      I've done this many times; 100% looks.

      I love GLL and still trust him more then any other game teacher.


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      • #18
        and then when your looks fade and semi attractive/cute girls (HB6-7s) stop approaching you (cause I KNOW true HB8s-9s aren't approaching you), what will you do then????

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        • #19
          Originally posted by madara View Post

          there's nothing like that submissive/lustful look a girl gives you when you are about to fuck.

          i dont think you can get that from hookers.
          Nonsense! Just tell them you'll pay em' to look at you that way lol.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Velasco View Post
            and then when your looks fade and semi attractive/cute girls (HB6-7s) stop approaching you (cause I KNOW true HB8s-9s aren't approaching you), what will you do then????
            yeah this is true. 8s and 9s almost never approach but 6s and 7s are NOT semi attractive.

            6 = cute, not embarrassed if friends or family find out

            7 = legit hot girl, friends give you props for fucking her

            8+ = super hot, instagram model hot, hot enough to make good living from just looks

            thats my scale

            6s and 7s approach (really) good looking guys

            8+ almost never approach

            also, is your brain malfunctioning?

            what will i do then?

            have you forgotten about my AA thread that you yourself mentioned?

            im actively trying to fix AA right now.

            But make no mistake about it, you can absolutely get laid 100% with just looks, that was my point.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Velasco View Post

              Nonsense! Just tell them you'll pay em' to look at you that way lol.
              how do you know this?

              you have a lot of experience fucking hookers?

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              • Grodmeister General
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                dont take that asshole seriously, if you skim thru his field reports he doesnt believe the bullshit hes selling you( all about getting laid with specific hot girls) every one of his reports reads like a guy who just wants to get laid with whatever ...7's .switching mid set with a willing target( that switch being cuz she likes him from the get go) if you wanna learn to get the girls you really want ..yes you gotta approach but you also should make it a point to display value while not showing interest to get em to chase or you can listen to velasbitch and get the same results your getting now!

            • #22
              Originally posted by madara View Post

              you can absolutely get laid 100% with just looks, that was my point.
              if you're goal is to get laid PERIOD. ya. but is everyone (excluding you apparently) on this forum here to just out to get laid? Or have they gotten past that phase in their life, and now just want to get laid with the girls that they really want. Girls that you HAVE to approach (they might look at you from a distance....but your still gonna have to walk on over and introduce yourself).

              To consistently get HB8+s from cold APPROACH, you have to APPROACH. It's not easy mode like with your 6s and 7s, where master level game isn't required.

              You were given the solution to overcome AA in that thread but you seem to be satisfied banging 2nd tier women to not care enough to fix your problem ("i only care about sex. i dont give a shiet about game. i want to get laid the easiest most efficient way possible").

              if you do not get over your fear of approaching strangers, just know that eventually the 6s and 7s will stop approaching you (discounting drunk girls), once your looks fade, and you're gonna have to start approach THEM if you want to get laid. And they're not gonna make it as easy for you when you were once good looking.

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              • #23
                If you're very good looking (which i'm guessing you are) you just need to sack up and approach. Very few girls will be 'no girls' for you. Try some xanax or something lol

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                • #24
                  Originally posted by madara View Post

                  why do you think its worth pursuing maybe girls?

                  I've never understood this.

                  it seems to me that its more efficient to try to find a yes girl then converting a maybe girl to sex.

                  i personally have never fucked even a maybe girl, literally never in any scenario.

                  every girl ive ever fucked was enthusiastic and obviously into me from the first min we met.

                  Like literally their eyes shine when they look at me upon first meeting, every girl ive ever fucked was like that.
                  Another reason to approach maybe girls...

                  There will probably come a time in your life when you will meet women who you are really attracted too, but they are only slightly attracted to you.

                  With seduction skills (‘game”) - you can fan that small spark of attraction into a flame of lust, and get more of the girls you really like. The alternative is to just give up on those women. Maybe that’s ok if you are lucky enough to be swamped with “yes” girls, but you may not always be in that situation (most of us are not).

                  Fair disclosure - I’m a fellow AA sufferer, and don’t do cold approach. But having at least some seduction skills is helpful no matter how you are meeting women.
                  You go to war with the women you have, not the ones you wish to have.
                  -Ronald Dumsfeld

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                  • #25
                    Subterfuge What's up!? I remember you from the newbie section of the Roosh V Forum. You would comment on my journal thread quite often, and I recall reading your journal thread a lot back in 2016. Left that forum because it got too overrun with anti-game trad types and losers overly obsessed with extremist politics.

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                    • Subterfuge

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                      It's all good. Yeah, I still look at roosh forum because it's basically the only active PUA forum now really and i'm interested in 'game' still, but it's always had a weird atmosphere! Lots of bull-headed, political, wannabe alphas, desperately trying to be manly, travelling to 3rd world countries to get laid or running sugar daddy game and thinking that makes them special lol

                  • #26
                    lol the main reasons to approach maybe girls are:

                    1.- one there are not that many "yes" girls available. 5% to 10% when it comes to cold approach...

                    2.- maybe girls will tend to be hotter and in more demand and women of choice....


                    With the right skills you can captivate no women to maybe and maybe to yes...


                    But no women is usually a waste of time...



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                    • #27
                      Ever watch a movie, that for a number of reasons, feels like a waste of popcorn?

                      Then just as you're about to give up something happens. . . an intriguing piece of dialogue, a plot-twist or even the introduction of a new character. Suddenly, you find yourself getting curious about what's going to happen next. Unsolved questions arise, and circle around, the depths of your mind. So you keep watching to satisfy your curiosity.

                      Before long you're swept up in the story line. One unsolved question leads to another. You get some answers, but there's still more to watch, and more to figure out.

                      And then you end up finishing the movie. Along with the bag of popcorn sitting on your lap. You can do the same thing with women. Regardless of how much initial-interest she's showing you. Everyone can get curious. Everyone can feel a sense of intrigue and get swept up in mystery. So why not use this to your advantage?

                      Women tend to make a lot of decisions based on how they feel. So if a spark of curiosity can make you finish a movie, that you previously found dull and uninteresting. Imagine how much you can do. By triggering that spark of curiosity, and creating that feeling of intrigue, with a woman you meet via cold approach.

                      Women don't evaluate sexual partners the way we do. We're primarily visual selectors. But women don't flick their clits to photos of male models. A huge chunk of their evaluation, comes down to how she feels, moment to moment about a certain guy. Change how she feels in the moment and she will associate these (positive) emotions with you. Effectively changing how she feels about you. Of course to consistently create attraction, over the course of a seduction, you'll need more than just curiosity and intrigue.

                      Baiting her into these emotions will get your foot in the door. But driving things home involves more. . .

                      Controlling the frame of the interaction, so she feels comfortable following your lead. Managing her arousal levels, to ensure that she desires you sexually and avoid LJBF. And just like with the induction of curiosity at the start. You'll want to control and dial her emotional state, by engaging her emotions and directing her imagination. To leverage the positive feelings she associates with you, to move the interaction towards sex. This is how you can consistently fuck "maybe" girls. Don't forget "no" girls can get curious too.

                      All of these things can be done with your words and behavior. And more details concerning this type of game can be found here.
                      “You know I cant hear none of that spend the night shit... that kumbaya shit”

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                      • #28
                        Originally posted by No More Mr Nice Guy View Post

                        Another reason to approach maybe girls...

                        There will probably come a time in your life when you will meet women who you are really attracted too, but they are only slightly attracted to you.

                        .
                        its interesting because I've noticed i lose all interest in a girl when i sense she is only lukewarm in her interest in me

                        and the opposite is also true, when i sense a girl really likes me, if im lukewarm towards her then my interest will increase

                        i like people who like me

                        i want girls who think "fuck yes i want this guy" when they see me NOT girls who think "well he's alright i guess"

                        and no girl is special.

                        ive never met a special girl so far in my life.

                        all girls can be replaced.

                        so no im not worried that i might meet some maybe girl who is special.

                        whatever the maybe girl can offer, im sure theres a yes girl out there who can too

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                        • SargeMaximus

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                          If you can only get 6-7's tho, you can understand wanting to improve that.

                      • #29
                        This yes-maybe-no mindset, where it's the idea that she decides immediately and either you coast on easy mode or you have phenomenal game to turn around an initially lukewarm reaction is a bit one dimensional and simplistic, and doesn't seem to accurately reflect how girls work.

                        There's more subtlety than this, and each situation requiring different set of skills.

                        From perhaps most easy to most difficult:
                        Girl is ovulating, socially open to fast sex and sees you and is very turned on immediately from just this: obviously the most "yes" but there are still some skills to perfect in terms of escalation. but this is also very rare

                        Girl is turned on by seeing you but has strong social conditioning: in this case playing social frames, sexual framing, building an emotional connection, are all useful tools to solve the problem.

                        Girl slows down fast escalation, but considers you "good enough" to potentially date, and is weighing you against her other options: in this case everything out there, from good flirting (teasing banter) to sex talk/arousal gambits, to dhving could be useful in giving her a compelling experience. This case is very common, I'd say, and it's really a matter of "yes" or "no"

                        Girl isn't that turned on by you at the start, but has no hard logistical constraints in the near future: in this case pumping her emotions to put her in a suggestible state, then getting compliance and using it to build arousal can then get a lay with a girl that otherwise wouldn't consider you. this is "state-based game" in a sense

                        Finally the quintessential convert the no girl is when she is dismissive and you use social influence and then she resists coming out with you but you use some bait and then influence her more on the date, etc.


                        I'd say the last one isn't worth the time investment. The first one almost never happens. So most girls are really in between.

                        But sometimes it's more basic game competence: knowing how to start a pleasant conversation, get her excited, flirt, and escalate in an arousing way
                        or it can be advanced game competence: knowing how to take her through a whirlwind of emotions she's never felt with a guy before
                        or it can be more tricking: stacking emotional stimulation and compliance in the appropriate sequence to get her in a situation where it's easy to arouse her

                        The first one is important to know, otherwise you're just throwing lays away. I'm pretty sure there are basic skills I could develop more. That alone could create a higher close % of 6-7s which gives more choice.
                        The second one is cool to learn, women appreciate it, and can make you stand out significantly amongst a sea of other suitors.
                        The third one doesn't have as good a reward/effort ratio, but still a neat skill to have to get some kinds of girls you otherwise wouldn't be able to.


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                        • SargeMaximus

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                          Good to see you Tank, how are you doing? Are you going to be on the new site?

                          I feel like what you said here: "But sometimes it's more basic game competence: knowing how to start a pleasant conversation, get her excited, flirt, and escalate in an arousing way
                          or it can be advanced game competence: knowing how to take her through a whirlwind of emotions she's never felt with a guy before
                          or it can be more tricking: stacking emotional stimulation and compliance in the appropriate sequence to get her in a situation where it's easy to arouse her"

                          is really what I need to learn and it's hard to tell sometimes what basic game competence is VS. someone's suggestions that work for them but don't work for me.

                      • #30
                        Seriousy: Fuck this.
                        Last edited by COCPORN; 1 week ago.
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                        • COCPORN

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                          If you look at page 4 in the PDF, it directly addresses your problem. Let me know if it isn't helpful.

                        • Subterfuge

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                          thanks. I'll get around too reading them pdf's, although i'm currently on a PDF bonaza and am currently reading a 1000 page book called 'game solved' as well as a few others! Head is spinning lol

                          With the 'yes girl (I usually CAN bang 'yes girls' by the way, and she was hot which makes it more painful) yes I think I did qualify her. Possibly used the famous 'what else do you have going for you other than your looks?'' and asked her some stuff about whether she can cook etc. But yeah, at one point after she'd been chasing me for a while, she disappeared forever lol

                          Also, your theory about location. Just being around super hot girls in isolation means they'll bang you? I'M assuming there's more too it than that? I'm often around lots of stunning girls but i'm not their type (no attraction) and so 'm not sure i'm at much of an advantage tbh lol

                          cheers

                        • Logic&Reason

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                          Originally posted by COCPORN View Post
                          When I lived in Santa Cruz in the '90s, there was a store on Pacific Avenue that sold musical instruments. For some reason, I decided that I wanted to buy a Danelectro Convertible. I went into the store, money in hand, and pretty much said: "I want that guitar". I had the exact amount and had already decided. I had already decided and was ready. To pay the asking price.

                          The person at the store said: "Ah, the Danelectro Convertible. Why don't I knock off $20, throw in a soft bag and a set of strings? And here, have some picks."

                          Instead of making additional business by having me pay for the extras, he gave it to me.

                          Why did this happen, and why do I still remember this, a good 20 years later? Because he was so used to selling, that even if he had already made the sale, he kept doing it. Was it beneficial for me? Yes, absolutely. But it was also odd to the extent that I still use this as an example of what bad 4Q game looks like.
                          I think you read this wrong man. Before Guitar Center corporatized the music instrument market, it was a haggle business with little standardized pricing.

                          Stores would mark stuff up enormously (no internet for instant comparison) because the game was to haggle with the customer. This was the expectation of how every sale would go.

                          YOU didn't play the game, and the guy decided to hook you up just a bit because he was already making considerably more than he wanted to make off the sale, and probably felt bad about it a bit. Even a ruthless salesman doesn't necessarily want to take an innocent guy to the cleaners for all he can get.
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