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    Hey guys, i just joined this forum, after getting tired of the drama and mental masturbation of another forum. I am very exited that it has a club game section, since i am a club game junkie, i have been doing dance floor game for give and take, 20 years, this is what I believe are the fundamentals of club game, besides this what will help you a lot is being good at reading body language. I use some pua old school terms, cause i think it is easier to explain some stuff.


    Mistakes guys make at the club:
    1 - Hanging out with too many guys. I recommend you hang out with a maximum of one other guy. It is better to be alone as women will be less intimidated and may even approach you. (This happens to me all the time.) If you are going to the club with a group of guy friends, make sure that everyone meets at the club in separate cars. The reason you should do this is that when you hook up with an hb and your wing or friends don’t, they will pressure you to leave early or take them back, killing the chances of taking your target home. Make sure if you do hang out with a guy or group of guys, that they are not guys who have no game or do not project higher value. In some instances they may lower your own value in the eyes of your target and her friends. It’s guilt by association. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out. It looks like a pack of ravenous wolves trying to prey on a rabbit. Generally, I prefer to game alone, although sometimes I have a wingman whom I meet at the club. If he is having an off night, however, or his value is being lowered by too many mistakes, I will move off and game alone.

    2 – Parking. A mistake I frequently notice men make is standing stationary in the middle of the dance floor looking for targets. Doing this is creepy and lowers your value. You need to either park outside of the dance floor or be moving through the club. I usually go to a corner or a spot outside of the dance floor and dance; then, when they play a good song or I see a girl I like, I approach her immediately.

    3 - Looking at a girl multiple times. When you make eye contact with a girl, do not break eye contact. Just go up to her and say: “How are you going to look at me like that and not say anything? Come on, let’s dance,” or better yet, do not break eye contact at all but go up to her and dance. Do not stay where you are and stare at her multiple times. That is creepy and/or shows lack of confidence. Try to use the three-second rule. [Three-second rule, noun: a guideline stating that a woman should be approached within three seconds of first seeing her. It is intended to prevent the man from thinking about the approach too much and getting nervous, as well as to keep him from creeping the woman out by staring at her for too long. Origin: Mystery.]

    4 - Grabbing or touching when opening. When you initially approach the girl, do not grab her hand or touch her. The only exception to this rule is when they play Latin music, or Latin beats, for example Shakira, Ricky Martin, Pit Bull, or reggaeton. After you are in the set and pass the social hook point, you should escalate incrementally a little at a time.

    5 – Chasing. Do not chase women around. When you are dancing with a girl and she walks away, just act neutral and keep dancing or open another girl or set. Frequently, women will try to *shit test” you by dancing with another guy; let her do it and do not chase after her. You are the prize. Regardless of how tempted you are to chase after her, resist it! Remember: to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. As I said, women have done this to me all the time, and they end up coming back. [Shit test, noun: a question, demand, or seemingly hostile comment made by a woman intended to gauge whether a man is strong enough to be a worthy boyfriend or sexual partner. If he takes the question, demand, or comment at face value, he fails and generally loses the opportunity to move forward in his interaction with her. Examples include telling him he is too young or old for her, or asking him to perform an unnecessary favor.]

    6 - Buying girls drinks and flowers. Do not buy girls drinks or flowers. If you have already made out with her and she is into you, then you may decide to go this route. Personally, I would advise against buying drinks or flowers as it establishes her as the prize and not you. If you have made out with her and she is into you, make sure that your buying her a drink is not one of her shit tests. If all three of these things check out and you still have your heart set on buying her a drink, knock yourself out. Never buy her flowers under any circumstances. Make your own napkin rose. (I will link some tutorials on how to do this later in the book.) Buying drinks too early in the interaction is sending the message “I am not good enough for this girl, so let me buy you a drink so you can keep hanging out with me,” which comes across as too accommodating and needy and will nearly always kill any attraction for you she may be feeling. If a girl asks you to buy her a drink, tell her “Of course. Do you have $10?” Most girls do not ask guys to buy a drink, especially if they know the guy has game. Usually if a girl is hinting to me after we made out that she wants to get a drink, what I do is say, “Go ahead. I will be right here,” since sometimes this is a hint that she wants the interaction to be over or she wants to be isolated. If she goes to the bar and she wants me, or gives me indications that she wants me to join her, I go with her, but I stay five steps back. I behave as if I have no idea what is going on. I do not look at her but instead give her my back and keep dancing till she has gotten and paid for the drink. At that point she usually comes back to me.

    7 - Failure to pick up on hints. Sometimes the girl will move away, stop dancing when you approach, or her friend will hug her dancing (rescue mechanism). Additionally, her body language may indicate that she/her group of friends want to be left alone. This is normal. No matter how good you get, you cannot win them all. The problem that I see is guys staying there like idiots, or guys who do not get the hints. What is even worse is following the women around after they’ve moved on to dance in a different area. If you are with your wing and the girls reject you by hug dancing the girl, you can do the same shit with your wing while giving them the back. Not only will the girls be embarrassed, it is kind of funny.

    8 - Being too aggressive or not being aggressive. You need a balance of push and pull. Turn her on, but also pull back a bit, then go back to turning her on, then pull back. But do not make the mistake of being all over her to a point that she feels violated. Watch my dancing videos. I will demonstrate the correct way to do this while dancing. Your goal, when dancing, is to escalate as much as possible and to sexually arouse the girl while at the same time seeing to it that the hb is having a really good time.

    9 - Failure to engage the group. If she is with a group of men and women, you have to engage the whole group. I do this by dancing with everybody including the guys (no gay shit, but I will grab a hand and jump in back and forth in hip hop/reggae or like friendly bumping with hard core hip hop and hard rock for example, not amoging) or encouraging everybody to dance and high fiving.

    10 - Approaching difficult sets. If you see that the girls are overly into themselves or are in their own world, rejecting people left and right, it is best to avoid. If they are in a committed relationship, or you saw the group and they were into another guy(s), who just went to the bar and is coming back, approach other sets that are not as complicated. With that being said, approach everybody. I am just saying that in the choice of difficult sets vs. easy sets, I recommend going with the easier set first.

    11 – Fighting. I am a martial artist and, speaking from experience, there will be incidents where guys will try to fight you. Girls can be equally crazy wanting to fight because you bumped into each other, or you are trying to dance with their girlfriend. Regardless, do not fight under any circumstances! Not only will it lower your value, you will be banned from the club, the bouncers will beat the crap out of you, then you will get arrested, and pay a bail bond of $5000. On top of spending a night in jail. Just ignore them and leave.


    12 - Leaning in. No matter how loud the music in the club is, do not lean in to talk to a woman. Your back should be straight as a wall. You must avoid leaning in even if the music is loud. This includes lowering your head. Your head and back should always stay straight when talking. If she wants to talk, cup her ear (so it is not so loud that you two are screaming), and talk, but try not to talk. If you do, remember to avoid leaning in

    13 – Approaching from behind: I do not recommend approaching a woman with her back turned to you, because this is what every other loser does. There is nothing original or unique about this approach. Additionally, she has to turn around to see who is dancing with her, and if you get rejected it will look really bad and lower your value to other potential targets/groups. The exception to the rule is when she has anticipated that you are coming behind her after giving you IOIs. The three most common IOIs she will give are 1) looking at you while fixing her hair 2) proximity to where you are, or 3) bumping you on purpose or subtly. The second exception is booty music with a younger crowd. Remember, in this one your target’s age comes into play.

    14 - Bumping the girl, or dancing back (her booty) to back (your booty). This shows lack of confidence and again is what every other loser does. It may work, and some puas do it, but in my style of club game I do not recommend it ’cause it shows that you are not confident, not man enough to come up to them from the front. The exception to the rule is when she has given you IOIs, but again this is not my style.

    15 - Asking the girl to dance. Do not ask girls if they want to dance—just dance. If they tell you they do not want to dance, do not beg. Worse still is, after she has said no, asking her friends to dance. The friends will most likely say no, even if they like you, due to social proof and group mentality.

    16 - Having too much high energy or too low energy. Your energy level has to be slightly higher than the set you are opening. Too much high energy and the set will think you are a loony. Low energy will lose you the set because you are a buzz kill.

    17 - Being a dancing monkey. I see excellent dancers in clubs who can hold the attention of the whole club but do not get any girls. Alternately, if they are with girls, these women will only be their friends. These guys never or hardly ever hook up. Do not be a dancing monkey. From time to time, I will go into the middle of the dance circle or dance flashily to call attention to myself from nearby hot women. Doing this is a DHV. However, I never do this for more than a minute or two. Then I run my regular club game.

    18 - Getting too drunk. I do not recommend drinking. If you do drink, drink only enough to loosen up. Heavy or even moderate drinking will fuck up your game, get you into fights, and get you in trouble. Drinking in bars or clubs is also expensive.

    19 – Long-term memory. You have to be like an NFL quarterback after throwing an interception. Take Brett Favre, for example. He is a great quarterback, and when he throws an interception he doesn’t stand around all day and obsess about the negative memory of temporary failure. He moves forward, as should you. You need a short-term memory. If you get rejected, or things do not go your way, you need to forget about it immediately and move on. But you need to return to a confident, fun, cool state. Do not overanalyze: What did I do wrong? Why did she ditch me? Maybe I’m ugly. This includes all that negative shit we put in our heads. You need a strong inner game. For inner game the best book is "psycho Cybernetics".

    20 - Lack of calibration. [Calibrate, verb: to read the verbal and nonverbal responses of a person or group and accurately deduce what they are thinking or feeling at that moment. Origin: Richard Bandler and John Grinder.] Let me illustrate with a couple of examples: One time I met a girl who had not gone out to a club in more than fifteen years because she had been married. She had just gotten out of the relationship. She was struggling financially due to the bad economy, was into me, and wanted to take me home. We were having a good time till she asked me to buy her a drink. I went into pua mode and said, “Do you know who I am? I do not buy girls drinks. They buy me drinks.” Then I told her “Go back to your friends. I have to go.” In this example, all I showed her is that I was a jerk-off and a cheapskate. When I called her three days later, I got no response, and I guarantee you that night she wanted an SNL.
    Another example is this one from the pua forum from a member named Phagan:
    “A case in point from tonight - a three set. HB7s. I start dancing with one of the chicks, getting closer, closer...making out. Great. We dance for maybe three to four minutes, making out a few more times. I make sure to always be the one who breaks it off. She puts her hand under my shirt, she looks at me all seductive... it’s on. Then she takes a step back and tells me “dance!” looking at the floor in front of me as if giving me instructions to “dance for her”... so I come closer to her and say “I don’t take orders from anyone” and back off a little, still inside her air space, smiling, not angry or anything... just being my cool self, the same self she was making out with twenty seconds earlier.” According to PUA rules/textbook, what he did was to follow his teachings. But as you can tell, there is lack of calibration. All he had to do was to dance with the girl seductively. He blew up his chances.
    Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

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  • #2
    I do no. 4 and no. 14 with great success!

    Still lots of good points mentioned, with no. 1/2/3 being the most important ones i guess!

    Regarding no. 3 (looking at a girl multiple times): This is always a sign for me that I need to approach! Because there much just be something about her that makes me look at her! When you trap yourself looking at a girl all the time, go in! Say something! When you don't know what to say, say "Hippo"!
    "I hope the journey and hard work continue for a lifetime."
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    • #3
      I do not grab, i know rsd is big on grabbing, it just does not work for me, i wait 5-10 second of not touching, till passing the hook point, then i start escalating... I only touch on the hand when initially opening in latin or latin beats, the bumping for me shows lack of confidence... I know there was another post were the dude said he had success with it. I just do not think is very efficient, or shows confidence, it is no my style. If you want to understand i would direct you to my video of opening

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piR5smPoxRs&feature=plcp

      and the mistakes, make sure you have flash so you can see annotations:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQxJ1vS8cIc&feature=plcp
      Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

      www.dancefloorseduction.com









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      • #4
        great tips dude...i was doing some of this stuff and now i know not to.
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        • #5
          Awesome dance floor tips! The videos are totally spot on examples of what we should and shouldn't do with women on the dance floor. I think Parking is the mistake that I didn't realize I made. I am hearing impaired so I often lean in to get closer so I can read her lips and hear at the same time to understand what's she saying... it is not something I intend to give away needy vibe when I lean in. I suck at dancing... where and how do I learn how to freaking dance? lol

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Scorpio View Post
            Awesome dance floor tips! The videos are totally spot on examples of what we should and shouldn't do with women on the dance floor. I think Parking is the mistake that I didn't realize I made. I am hearing impaired so I often lean in to get closer so I can read her lips and hear at the same time to understand what's she saying... it is not something I intend to give away needy vibe when I lean in. I suck at dancing... where and how do I learn how to freaking dance? lol

            Unfortunately i do not like any of what the community has to offer as far as dancing, that is why i decided to do what i am doing and i do not like "the clownish self amusement advocated by rsd", when i dance i want the girl to think i want to fuck that dude instead of that guy has fun with himself.. The whole point of dancing is an excuse to escalate and then arouse.. Male strippers are the best dance floor naturals... I am trying to figure out a way to teach via skype because unfortunately the community has done a really poor job imo, with the dance floor videos etc... If you notice most dance floor teachers are not really good at all in my 20 years i never seen any dancing, acting and doing the things and moves they say to do in youtube from guys that lay a lot. Anyways a mirror, zumba, male strippers, or watch my videos try to replicate some of the things i do... Most people say " i can not dance", and i try, i am not good at it, cause they want instant gratification. Just like anything else you need practice, IT IS NOT DIFFICULT, i could not dance for shit. I learned cause i saw how my friends had all the hot girls at the parties by just dancing. Thanks for the love!
            Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

            www.dancefloorseduction.com









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            • #7
              We should make this video sticky, just to show guys that you can get laid with EVERYTHING

              Seriously: Shades in a club and looking at the floor the whole time... I mean come on!!!!

              edit: I'm NOT (!!!) from RSD! Not!!!! Just wanted to make this clear!!!
              "I hope the journey and hard work continue for a lifetime."
              >>>> My complete player guide - everything from meet to lay, in my "Hall of Fame" post, for free <<<<

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Aima View Post
                We should make this video sticky, just to show guys that you can get laid with EVERYTHING

                Seriously: Shades in a club and looking at the floor the whole time... I mean come on!!!!

                edit: I'm NOT (!!!) from RSD! Not!!!! Just wanted to make this clear!!!


                SHADES IN A CLUB IS WEAK! Never wear shades at the club... When i open depends on the music i may make eye contact or not. Let me explain if is rock and roll, or something high beat, i will not make eye contact much when i open, as i get compliance and escalate, then i make eye contact and go for the make out, look at the other video compliance escalation and arousal, the reason i do not want to put all my seduction arousal cards right away cause then there is nothing left and the hb will get bored... I did the shades to hide my identity for privacy reasons... Thanks for the love!
                Last edited by Skills360; 10-04-2012, 06:54 PM.
                Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

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                • #9
                  Biggest mistake is not trying. You can make 54 mistakes in a row and still get girl. If you waste time worrying about mistakes (perfection), you might miss entire chance to meet her.

                  So at least I agree about mistake of sitting with friends/boys too much
                  My method: Say "Hello" or "Wow" > shy look > starry-eyed look > spamming cold-read-compliments + feather light touches

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ijjjji View Post
                    Biggest mistake is not trying. You can make 54 mistakes in a row and still get girl. If you waste time worrying about mistakes (perfection), you might miss entire chance to meet her.

                    So at least I agree about mistake of sitting with friends/boys too much

                    Yes i agree approaching is half of the battle, and No disrespect, but that is not my experience, if you make a mistake specially early on, it may be hard to recover(now making 54), in club girls are very very guarded(high bitch shield)... You do not have to worry about anything, just be aware of what no to do, that may come across unattractive and kill the interest and interaction right away... when you open you have a small window of time to open, deal with the cock blocks,get compliance, escalate, get pass the hook point etc... When i go out i do not worry about these things they are automatic, i do see every time i go out guys getting blown out, doing one or many of the things i mentioned...
                    Last edited by Skills360; 10-05-2012, 03:06 AM.
                    Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

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                    • #11
                      nice write up.

                      Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                      20 - Lack of calibration. [Calibrate, verb: to read the verbal and nonverbal responses of a person or group and accurately deduce what they are thinking or feeling at that moment. Origin: Richard Bandler and John Grinder.] Let me illustrate with a couple of examples: One time I met a girl who had not gone out to a club in more than fifteen years because she had been married. She had just gotten out of the relationship. She was struggling financially due to the bad economy, was into me, and wanted to take me home. We were having a good time till she asked me to buy her a drink. I went into pua mode and said, “Do you know who I am? I do not buy girls drinks. They buy me drinks.” Then I told her “Go back to your friends. I have to go.” In this example, all I showed her is that I was a jerk-off and a cheapskate. When I called her three days later, I got no response, and I guarantee you that night she wanted an SNL.
                      a thought pop into mind as I read this.

                      One of my standard operating procedures for getting a drink after opening + vibing is to grab her hand caveman style, drag her to the bar and tell her to get the bartenders attention. I sometimes say "your a girl so you can get his attention easier" and then I have her order what I want. recently I had a set blow up at this point. During the transaction she ordered drinks for herself as well. He brought her drinks first and after a small amount of time she mentioned something about me paying and turns to walk away, but slowly and eyeing me. I caught her by the waist and turned her body back to the bar and said "you ordered those drinks, you pay for them". It didn't go over well, and I believe the set would have blown up anyways. HOWEVER, what I just realized was a better way of handling the situation, line credit from Richard Feynman's book (yes THAT Feynman, the physicist): "will you still sleep with me if I don't buy you a drink?"

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                      • #12
                        this is a good list, however I think game is game no matter where you are, for example you dress well and have good body language whether it be a in a club , supermarket , bus stop,church ,burger king, etc.But all in all a good list.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimmyChonga View Post
                          nice write up.



                          a thought pop into mind as I read this.

                          One of my standard operating procedures for getting a drink after opening + vibing is to grab her hand caveman style, drag her to the bar and tell her to get the bartenders attention. I sometimes say "your a girl so you can get his attention easier" and then I have her order what I want. recently I had a set blow up at this point. During the transaction she ordered drinks for herself as well. He brought her drinks first and after a small amount of time she mentioned something about me paying and turns to walk away, but slowly and eyeing me. I caught her by the waist and turned her body back to the bar and said "you ordered those drinks, you pay for them". It didn't go over well, and I believe the set would have blown up anyways. HOWEVER, what I just realized was a better way of handling the situation, line credit from Richard Feynman's book (yes THAT Feynman, the physicist): "will you still sleep with me if I don't buy you a drink?"

                          ^ hey man! what i personally do is after it is a close deal ONLY, i grab her hand take her to the bar and order 2 waters, i do not ask her what she wants to drink(but for me to do this is super rare maybe once a year).... The other thing i do is if she wants a drink " i get distracted and keep dancing giving my back but at close proximity) Once she has gotten it and pay i let her come back to me.... Now one of my natural friends(slept with 800+ women) what he does is he goes early and befriend the staff gives a big tip to the hottest male or female bar tender(since they have most eyes on them from the crowd) and gives a huge tip($20) and say "i am giving you this tip so you can remember me and give me good service, if you do at the end of the night there is another big one coming), and when the club is packed they serve him first which is dhv, people start thinking "who is that dude, may be someone important".... But my personal "philosophy" is to game without spending money or as minimum money as possible...usually when i go clubbing i do not bring money most of the time...That girl that did that to you was crossing a boundary, but she thought in her defense, you told her to order cause you were expecting to pay, i did not like how you put yourself into that situation, best way for not paying is not to put yourself into paying situations...
                          Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

                          www.dancefloorseduction.com









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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by barackaflockaflame View Post
                            this is a good list, however I think game is game no matter where you are, for example you dress well and have good body language whether it be a in a club , supermarket , bus stop,church ,burger king, etc.But all in all a good list.

                            ^ i disagree,At least for me, is different online, texting, social circle, street game... the reason i like this type of game is because you go very PHysical, sexual and escalation really really really fast...Without having to talk. In burger king, supermarket, church, online, you can not do what i just described, i have done all of the games you mentioned for me they are too slow compare to dance floor game.
                            Sexting, my unique natural game, aggressive dance floor seductions, 15-20 minutes hook ups in clubs. Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a club type environment, check out my blog and youtube clubbing channel:

                            www.dancefloorseduction.com









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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                              That girl that did that to you was crossing a boundary, but she thought in her defense, you told her to order cause you were expecting to pay, i did not like how you put yourself into that situation, best way for not paying is not to put yourself into paying situations...
                              at what point do I volunteer to do anything more than pay for my own drink?

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