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  • #1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMOXYraIBeQ&t=9s

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    • #2
      No, I don't agree with the premise that women are not equal to men. Different? Sure. Equal? Absolutely.

      There are a lot of logical fallacies in the OP but honestly, I just don't care enough to get into a debate. There's more than enough pseudo philosophical discussions here already.

      It boils down to this:

      So, next time a woman starts to give you any shit, dont fall into her trap. They are inferior to men and you shouldnt take their shit if they give you it. You could simply say your a man and you wont take any orders from a woman.
      To quote Game of Thrones, "Any man who must say, I am the king, is no true king". Or, to paraphrase this, if you're in a situation where you need to pull the "but I'm the man!" card (even if its not verbal, but just a self-affirmation), you already lost and you're not superior to anyone.
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      • #3
        Originally posted by Impulse View Post
        A western women doesnt know her true role....
        Originally, I planned on answering by asking you "what is a woman's true role?" and on what are you basing it.

        But then I realized that you'll just go back to the historical/naturalist argument (it's been done this way for thousands of years and shit like that).

        To that, I would retort that as a society we did a lot of ridiculous, batshit crazy stuff for thousands of years (like slavery), until we got smart enough to realize that we're being dumbasses (as a society) and moved on from those outdated concepts. Claiming that women (or men for that matter) have some pre-defined role is another example of stupid shit that we really need to move beyond now.

        Then you'd comeback with how brainwashed, white knight-ish, or whatever I'm being and this will lead to nowhere.

        So, let's just cut it short and I'll just say that no, I don't believe that having certain genital parts automatically qualifies a person to a certain "role" in a society. In turn, we have to compare people on merit and not how we want them to be (or what role they are supposed to play). By that, as far as I'm aware, women are very much equal to men.

        In other words, we'll have to agree to disagree because we're both very obviously under-qualified to have a reasonable, fact-based discussion on the topic.
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        • #4
          Hmmm... I think it's wise to know which way the wind is blowing... PC exists for a reason.

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          • #5
            The video talked a lot about how the social contract, where we as men agree not to use our natural advantage in size and strength to seize control straight caveman style over women, but that's the main difference I see. It's also just a funny clip Patrice O'Neal is hilarious. I don't think women are worse or better, just different. And once again, you're trying to show us how fuckin ahead of the curve you are by spouting nonsense. For instance, the talk about WW2 was all total bullshit. Like Rev said it is fuzzy logic where yeah, the chain of reasoning makes sense but it requires you to make a couple of wild assumptions.

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            • #6
              Well you certainly are inferior to men, I know that much

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              • #7
                Yo btw, men are just as submissive to me in field as women,
                Trying to get attention from me, or backing away from me (if their intention was to fight),
                Women have varied reactions, some fully step up to the plate, and are capable off engaging in convo too complex and nuanced for most men to follow,

                It is pointless to argue superiority, if you don't even know the strengths of the person you are comparing yourself againt
                I would say man is typically IGNORANT of womens strengths because they capitulate to sexual frustration and find it to be a convenient avenue to vent betaised aggression


                There are three things you need with girls
                Generousity
                Decency
                Understanding

                Generousity is the ability to overcome frustration and fear of applying effort only to fail
                Decency is the ability to do the right thing at the right time, because you have sound ability to observe other peoples feelings (it replaces acting nice, and is much more neutral thhan it sounds)
                Understanding is the ability to recognise what girls want or need from you in order to feel xyz

                You in this post demonstrate
                No decency because girls have done nothing to you, and you stab them in the side with this crap, the arguement is in itself unfair and biased designed to put them on the defensive. Its a cheap shot at inchhing towards your shitty propoganda, nothing more.
                No generousity, because your frustration and inability to act has left you in a cocky, sheltered position. This is the imagined authority of a man insulating himself away from women, in body and mind, because you are intimidated by them, and unable to solve it.
                No understanding, because your whole arguement is based on the fact you don't understand them, so must GUESS that they are probably inferior cuz you THINK it would benifit you.



                I am absolutely frustrated with SOME women, and certain parts of those women.
                In fact I celebrate that frustration.
                It is fucking good to have frustration, IF you are a generous man, willing to put in the effort (hence why it is a journal, it is a journey to go from a place of frustration to a place of acceptance and growth)
                Unlike you, I'm not at all afraid of showing my flaws, thats just how GOOD at this I am,
                I don't need to bluster or pout


                Btw "what the hell is this"
                Is the correct response to the OP impulse
                You are just cutting your dick off to spite yourself



                Pro tip:
                If you wanna get laid don't insinuate that submission makes you think a woman is inferior
                A woman indeed is more submissive than a man sexually, and enjoy it that way
                You make the concept intolerable if you imply that is in itself a "weakness"
                Like what, enjoying sex is a weakness?
                Thats dumb
                When a woman is submissive you wanna show she isn't inferior in your eyes, by going with her on it, letting that role play out
                You ought not cling to it like your personal insecurities rest on making her feel less, cuz if that is the case, you are just petty

                Btw, if you wanna go into my journal, show some respect
                I don't need a "impulse read and dissapproves" message in my inbox
                I'm not here to hold your hand impulse
                And quite frankly I don't want you readng my journal, you are unwelcome, I write it for those I respect to get lil tidbits from
                I dunno, I think it works
                Mostly though, I spend plenty of time trying to crack the really hard stuff
                Its nice to let loose a lil

                Notice how its in a journal, not thrust all over the forum?
                Instead of criticising, learn a thing or two

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                • #8
                  Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                  I regret posting the OP now actually..never thought itd get into this type of crazy indepth discussion....its quite irrelevant to me
                  Good, you ought to regret it, it was a trite post
                  Yeh, dont worry I dont flame peoples journals man...Im not like that....just teasing ya a bit :P :P
                  I don't give a shit, any time you go in there to read, know I don't want you there
                  Simple as that

                  I only give that stuff out to people who want to improve

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                  • #9
                    Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                    Dude, the stuff you talk about is pure nonsense..its not required at all to get laid. So, I have no interest in reading the drivel in your journal

                    Literally 90% of what you write on here has no practical value..it sounds nice but its not actionable of itself

                    So, im pretty much ignoring your advice because its kj...but I have listened to your points and understood them, and respected your replies without resorting to name calling like you are :P :P

                    Think you could do with some TRE to loosen you up a bit...seems your pretty frustrated
                    Impulse, I really think you should take some time off the forums, or at least posting and I say this with best intentions.

                    You are stirring a lot of animosity and your communication style comes off as a know-it-all arrogant hot head bumping threads left and right and refusing to budge or admit when you are in the wrong.

                    You see critic as a personal attack on your character.

                    For example here; you insulted Cosy first without realizing it and then you turned the tables and cried wolf.

                    Take some time to lurk and read more and reflect on your behavior and when you come back write up some FRs. You said you had a fear of being judged here if you write FRs, maybe you are afraid that it will expose you to not be on the skill level you would like everyone here to think you are on. I still think you should do it if you want to improve and get some real feedback otherwise you come of as a KJ. Especially with threads like these.

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                    • #10
                      Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                      Dude, the stuff you talk about is pure nonsense..its not required at all to get laid.
                      Most of my advice is targetted at helping a guy either see something simpler or reflect back on the source of his issue
                      To find that useful you gotta have enough self control to reflect back on the source of an issue, or enough motivation to cut away excessive thought processes and replace them with your own version of simpler/cleaner ones
                      So, I have no interest in reading the drivel in your journal
                      And thats why I don't want you there, your focus is entirely about you, and my journal isn't about you
                      Literally 90% of what you write on here has no practical value..it sounds nice but its not actionable of itself
                      And affirmations are actionable? Superiority complexes are actionable? etc etc

                      Actually, I don't bother doing too much tricks based advice for guys, since I'm usually here just to interact and casually explain, if anyone has a "tricks" based question, I'll probably answer, (when you don't get laid tricks are all you can think about, when you do get laid, talking about them can be tedious)

                      But its hard for people to find questions, often cuz they have frustrations getting in the way of techniques working anyways
                      Most of seduction isn't the technique its what is behind it
                      Thats why you both simplify your views and address the source of issues
                      It helps your techniques work, it gets you doing things downhill rather than push it all uphill
                      So, im pretty much ignoring your advice because its kj...
                      No, you ignore advice because you ignore everything anyways
                      Its not like if anyone sweet talks you, that you will do any listening,
                      You'll pander to them for a few seconds then bring the convo back to you, and their contribution will have done nothing but scratch an itch of yours.
                      How is that worth anyones effort?
                      but I have listened to your points and understood them,
                      "you understood them"
                      I don't think youve really understood a damn thing anyone has said
                      and respected your replies without resorting to name calling like you are :P :P
                      You haven't at all respected anyone, thats the whole point
                      Think you could do with some TRE to loosen you up a bit...seems your pretty frustrated

                      How do I put this,
                      You have retarded ideas that you need to erase
                      I am helping you have enough conflict so you can get the fuck over yourself, since you so obviously crave resistance and difficulty
                      But at the same time, why should I?
                      When you are being so shitty to women,
                      Why don't I just let you feel shitty every night you fail instead and shrug my shoulders "oh geez thats tough, I dunno how to solve that one man"
                      Let you just endlessly talk to yourself while you post


                      Don't you get it man, PEOPLE EXIST
                      They are right here, why aren't you talking to any of them??

                      You want people to talk to just so you can talk to yourself??
                      You wanna talk to yourself with an audience??
                      Well, I call you out on how you are treating people like disposable pieces of shit, cuz no one here is a disposable piece of shit and they don't have to put up with you using them for such trivial bullshit

                      Don't you see that your every post uses people?
                      I'm giving you shit so they aren't wasting their breath on you over and over
                      I''m stopping you from this nonsense

                      Why, cuz who the fuck are you?
                      You can't even get laid so wtf are you even talking about?
                      What feels like its going to work??

                      Hows that any different than a gambler who sits at the slots and FEELS lucky today?

                      But even if you could answer that well enough, what you going to do about the fact you don't have a use for anyone here???
                      Either go away, or listen to guys,
                      I don't care if you listen to me, but I'll call you out on moronic shit like the OP all day

                      Only dipshits are so ungrateful to women, holy balls wtf is wrong with you to even think that shit is ok


                      Go ahead, show a girl what you wrote,, then show her what I wrote, I'm gonna bet she'll know in silence that I'm right and you are just being weird as shit


                      You are asking a lot from guys on the forum tolerating you or pitching in on your threads, so what are you going to give them back??
                      Trite stuff like this op, nonsense about what you THINK might work, cuz it feels right?
                      No man, head down, ass up, in field, WORKING TO FIND REAL SHIT
                      Thats what we all want, not this trash

                      And thats what it is man, its not subjective, this is utter trash, go out, work for your progress
                      Don't sit in here moaning about how people are bullshit cuz they aren't gods who can hail a beam down from the heavens and turn a pumpkin into a carriage so you can go to the ball
                      Grow up, stop acting like you are Cindarella

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                      • #11
                        Just to blow your mind a little, let me relate a thought my girlfriend told me the other day: perhaps men have bounded together for thousands of years to supress women as a society, individualize them into families not because they were the stronger gender but because they feared the collective womanhood way too much? So in a way the "natural leadership of men" is but another form of apartheid...

                        My secondary woman is a single mother and has been since her child was born. Since spending time with her, I only partly realized how much strength and organization you'll need to make that work long-term, and she somehow manages it anyway. I do have deep respect for what she pulls off there. Or my sister, working 40hours as a hairdresser, then working another 10-20 hours privately as a hairdresser, coming home and cooking for the whole family of her boyfriend, cleaning the household, tending to her boyfriends needs, studying to pass her final exams, caring for a lot of friends and taking them through hard times... if I compare that to what her boyfriend is doing, she's much stronger than him and contributing much more even if she doesn't realize it. I'm not saying this is true for any man or woman, but I've noticed it many times so far: if needed, women seem to be able to muster much more inner strength than men can in the long run. Usually they just don't try to take as much credit than men tend to do :P

                        But in general it's a stupid argument and pretty similar to the argument of how race affects the character of certain people and how because of this they should be treated a certain way. I'll agree with Martin Luther King Jr. on the line he supposedly said that I'll prefer a world in which everyone is judged by his character and not by his race, gender or whatever else you can think of to divide people into sub-groups.

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                        • #12
                          Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                          Cosy you seem to be making a lot of assumptions once again dude

                          Nowhere did I say im ungrateful to women, or unappreciate, or that I would say treat them like shit.....again...more assumptions that arent actually written there at all

                          Once again, id highly recommend you try TRE and also EFT to loosen you up a little - seems you cant even see your own subconscious blocks and give neutral based replies

                          Most of what you're writing here is highly reactive to your own thought processes - which is why Im calling it mental masturbation

                          You'll become reactive to thought processes when you aren't truly grounded - grounded is a subtle word that represents a way of experiencing the world.

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                          Your understanding on affirmations is grossly inadequate dude...you can safely ignore that because your not at the stage to use them effectively - work on getting yourself grounded more first, I think that will bring some good balance into your thinking style and less emotionally reactive to what I write

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                          Another thing you're not understanding - people actually aren't equal. Not even God who created us tells us people are equal - and if you study and understand it, you'll see there's wisdom there.

                          There's something called the Law Of Dominance - that means there is hierarchy by default in all parts of the universe

                          Good ideas are better than poor ones
                          Stronger is better than weaker
                          Alpha is better than beta
                          The moon orbits the earth
                          The earth orbits the sun
                          The sun orbits the galaxy

                          etc etc

                          Yes, you have to see people, but different people are cut out for different things. Equal rights are used to reinforce different groups in society so they all work against each other - which makes the overall group weaker and subordinate to the powers in control - its exactly how colonialism was so effective - reinforce lots of different ideas, causing the whole mass of ideas and the people to become weaker and easier to control.

                          Id also recommend you study mind control more - seems your buying into a lot of social frames and culturally programmed things without even realising

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                          As for your advice, a lot of it is indeed kj - ive tried it and it didnt work. The thought processes your coming out with are based on underlying brain programs that you're unaware of...its those brain programs that you need to get at to get at "the good stuff" - not at the surface level of thoughts

                          Second thing is that different people work in different ways - they have different programs operating. To say your advice is actionable by all people in the same way is kj - and to then say "oh look, your not listening to me" doesnt appreciate that simple point.

                          Your self talk is really useful - it tells me where you are at - you don't believe in yourself or you wouldnt be saying this

                          Self talk is based on someone's own self-conception

                          Here's a good practical exercise to try that will help you out:

                          Imagine everyone close to you - such as close friends and family or co-workers - having all the resources, desires, money and everything else they could ever need. Imagine them being happy, prosperous and successful in everything and that there's no limits.

                          Then imagine that it increases even more.

                          Also try some mirror exercises for self-love - seems your bringing yourself down by your thought processes and programming the wrong things in without realising

                          Look in the mirror and say you love yourself and that everyone appreciates you and approves of you

                          That will also stop you getting offended by text your reading on some online forum - it will help with the grounding and putting the right subconscious programs in. And it will also change your self-conception, so your self talk automatically changes based on the mirror reflection of whats actually inside you

                          Again, this is practical, actionable stuff that will work quickly - I took your advice very closely and it didnt do anything. Seems you could do with taking in a different viewpoint instead of constantly bombarding your own - based on old brain programs that are no longer useful for you.

                          Just a mish mash of words and "yay I believe in god" ^

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                          • #13
                            I think equality is the most pointless term to exist and equality can never be achieved by humans/laws/socialism.

                            Also, equality doesn't guarantee anything. Dogs and cats are not equal to humans, but they can literally live better lives than most humans. Taken care of, fed, medicine, etc.. Yeah they can't vote, yeah they don't get representation in government, but that doesn't stop them from having great lives.

                            At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is production. Effort -> Value
                            We treat animals with lots of love and like kings because they bring us a lot of value.

                            You want true equality? Stop acknowledging genders and race all together. Government by definition is ANTI equality, by defining classes and minorities you are already giving them power.

                            Nature is the natural equalizer. You either survive or you don't, nature does not give a damn if you're big, small, black, white, muslim, jewish, atheist. It treats all the same. If it's freezing outside, you will die if you do not have heat. If you do not work to get food, you will die. If you do not cut wood to burn, you will die. No special treatment of women or minorities.

                            So no, I don't believe in social equality. I believe in natural equality, aka no equality.

                            Morgan Freeman gets it.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0p_pQ7PTYU

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                            • #14
                              Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                              Cosy you seem to be making a lot of assumptions once again dude

                              Nowhere did I say im ungrateful to women, or unappreciate, or that I would say treat them like shit.....again...more assumptions that arent actually written there at all

                              Once again, id highly recommend you try TRE and also EFT to loosen you up a little - seems you cant even see your own subconscious blocks and give neutral based replies

                              Most of what you're writing here is highly reactive to your own thought processes - which is why Im calling it mental masturbation

                              You'll become reactive to thought processes when you aren't truly grounded - grounded is a subtle word that represents a way of experiencing the world.
                              Hey Impulse,

                              I also feel what cosy feels and as it looks like other posters too. It's not just an assumption: It's the subjective picture we build about you by reading your posts. I'm pretty shure that you know about the concept of self and public image. I dont know if you take it as an personal attack or not and I dont care, but I would take it as feedback. Because when you work with feedback you get aware of your blind spots.

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                              • #15
                                Originally posted by Impulse View Post
                                Alright, point taken..it seems im walking over people by the way im writing which is creating an emotional response in guys that aren't so internally strong. Emotions someone feels by the way text is written on a forum is a symptom of emotional fragility that the person themselves have

                                Bear in mind Im using a lot of different exercises like TRE, EFT, ADT, deep breathing etc etc on a weekly basis, some even on a daily basis, which makes me come across very bold and direct on here with a totally different, grounded basis.

                                Also I am a dominant person in real life, but not in a threatening or uncalibrated sort of way - I have a fun and very approachable sort of vibe

                                But yeh, I think I could do with posting less here, especially if it will upset posters who are more emotionally sensitive or who have no clue about the benefits or effects from these exercises
                                I've been away for a while. What exactly is your current problem? Last I remember you were slaying left and right?
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