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  • Are we by definition as sexist as men can possibly be in this community?

    I was gonna bring this up in the other thread but it's gotten long in the tooth and went in to the rabbit hole of media and race and everything.

    I mean by definition though with pickup community at its core....

    Aren't we more "gender separating" than any group?

    At our core from AFC to Master pua, we objectify women without a doubt.

    Even at advanced levels of really trying to connect and form a bond in order to fuck her, we are only seeing her as more than an object, by seeing her as a mind we can fully delve in to and connect with, in order to blast a load of spooge up inside of her.

    Even MGTOWS and MRAS are just generally in fear or anger to their mind it is "if women would just change I would love to love one of them" . When indeed they could just find one woman that's the way they want and be with her (or alter her mind if they would learn), they just like to piss and moan on youtube.

    I mean we are:

    1. Not as slimey as a gross entertainer/entitled with no game or looks etc type guy. Gropey, jacking off naked in front of women as a come on etc. Channing Tatum moves with Jonah Hill body shit. In fact like that one Jeffy video he was right on that misguided pickup attempts are worse for women than well crafted ones. But arent' well crafted attempts even more sexist by pure definition?

    2. Not as prejudice. I mean no puas force women to fuck them to get a job or anything as a method.

    3. Not as hateful or misogynistic as some mgtows and mras. Most of us actually LIKE women and can connect with them, barring some young cunt "puas" who are good looking and bang 7s off tinder or some shit then dog them out or whatever. I mean the majority of actual PUAs with any skills other than looks and low standards, are connecting with women and don't hate them or anything. I almost to a direct bias prefer a deep conversation with a woman over a man, they just give you more back by default.

    But hell, this forum has a women only seating section. On the surface that is an accommodation, and I'm sure that was the intent, but it is a segregation in plain sight. We think so little about things like that in pure pua communities that it sits there in plain sight unquestioned.

    But on PURE sexism, "genderism" more apt, do we divide ourselves (from women) in his community almost down to the soul (emotions and mind and sexuality) more than any other group?

    I think so. Just an analysis that's interesting to me. Not that we need to change or anything, I mean I think most of us have resigned that we are hedonistic pleasure seekers and want to control. Even in finding long term love probably (I know at least I) want to control it fully.

    Just a thought I had in thinking on this stuff on the other thread that was interesting to me.


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  • #2
    Originally posted by Gunwitch View Post
    Even at advanced levels of really trying to connect and form a bond in order to fuck her, we are only seeing her as more than an object, by seeing her as a mind we can fully delve in to and connect with, in order to blast a load of spooge up inside of her.
    Yup that's pretty much the core of how I view things.

    As for the question of are we by definition sexist, my answer to that is yes, as per today's definition of sexism and objectification of women.

    In this community we understand, or at least we should understand, that there are differences between men and women. How their brains and minds work, how they can be stimulated, aroused and influenced, we study these differences and use them to our advantage.

    If this is sexist behavior, then fine, but that in of itself is not necessarily hateful behavior. So any form of shaming the community might get is unfounded. IME most people, women and even most men aren't much more than sheep-like, moist robots and if it is amoral, sexist or objectification to use that to ones advantage. Then so be it, I guess.
    Last edited by Bacchus; 12-15-2017, 12:49 AM.

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    • #3
      Men are men and women are women. So of course there will be a separation of genders, and anyone who claims otherwise are either trolling, blind-deaf-and-dumb, or idiots. And sure, we in these kinds of forums are more aware of this fact than most other people. In my opinion, what matters is what one as an individual chooses to do with this, and not whether or not the separation exists.

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      • #4
        Reality/nature is sexist, so it would be deluded to not be sexist. There is high risk of becoming a little brainwashed and too sexist though.

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        • #5
          Well to be honest to some degree I see the "community" (no one personally) too much focused on getting sex. It looks to me the community is obsesed with getting sex.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bexx View Post
            Well to be honest to some degree I see the "community" (no one personally) too much focused on getting sex. It looks to me the community is obsesed with getting sex.
            I agree, I much rather form a few relationships with great girls rather than racking up huge number. However, if you are not good at moving things towards sex you will be forever stuck in the friend-zone with those great girls. So learning how to get sex is massively important even if you don't place too much importance on sex.

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            • #7
              Posts I like, tend to make an effort to see things from a girls perspective, at least to some degree.
              Id say thats pretty much as far away from sexism as you can get..

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              • #8
                Sexism implies prejudice and discrimination, it doesn't apply to simple differentiation. So PU isn't really sexist at all. Plenty of blue pillars may erroneously see it that way though among many other things, hence the secret society aspect to things. The masses don't seem to take objective looks at realty very well. . .

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                • #9
                  this came at the right time lol, i had to deal with this yesterday.... here is my take

                  Last edited by Skills360; 12-14-2017, 09:33 PM. Reason: fixing link...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                    this came at the right time lol, i had to deal with this yesterday.... here is my take
                    link doesn't work. says Sorry, you are not allowed to preview drafts.

                    lol objectification is a bullshit term. If we were treating women like objects and meat we wouldn't even talk to them. We'd just pick them up like a chair and have our way with them. They're just butthurt because they want to extract more value from us than just our sexual companionship. That's the truth, 100.

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                  • #11
                    well, from the "female" perspective (hey you see what i did there?)
                    i was thinking more in terms of guys and girls as seperate roleplayers and entities after joining and reading stuff at the forums

                    it was getting terrible so i quit reading for quite a while and suddenly my romantic sexlife is somehow getting more genuine and real and focused on the individual guy, instead of putting the guy in the box: male, pleasure/sexseeker

                    dunno
                    found that it was bothering me

                    so yes, there is a lot of sexism here
                    should it be there or not?

                    no clue
                    i feel too dumb to truly say its good or bad

                    think with some people it can be good.
                    and at some topics.
                    at other ones?
                    not really
                    ​​​​​

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                    • #12
                      Gunwitch, what happened to you? You were so red pill in the other thread and here you've turned into a complete blue pilled white knight AFC! Sad.

                      Originally posted by Gunwitch View Post
                      I mean by definition though with pickup community at its core....

                      Aren't we more "gender separating" than any group?
                      Gender separating? You mean, heterosexuals? Yes, we are very straight here. Next question!

                      At our core from AFC to Master pua, we objectify women without a doubt.
                      No! We don't "objectify" women without a doubt because there is literally no such thing. "Objectification" is a fictional invention of lesbian separatists, PC SJWs, and the morbidly obese cat ladies with blue hair. It's impossible to objectify a woman for the same reason that it's impossible to breathe bricks. It doesn't make any sense.

                      Take two women: One, a sex-positive, high sex drive girl who loves dick. Two, a morbidly obese, low sex drive lesbian. Then show them both a porn movie that has an elaborate story woven into it. I guarantee you that the high self esteem, sex-positive woman will say that the woman in the porn was sexually empowered, whereas the angry dyke will say that she was sexually degraded and objectified.

                      You are adopting the garbage PC language of our declared enemies, Gunwitch! The concept of sexual objectification is rooted in lesbian heterophobia. Sexual empowerment is the opposite principle espoused by the sex-positive.

                      Even at advanced levels of really trying to connect and form a bond in order to fuck her, we are only seeing her as more than an object, by seeing her as a mind we can fully delve in to and connect with, in order to blast a load of spooge up inside of her.
                      But what's wrong with that? If that is shameful, then explain how you're not a heterophobe? The only option that such thinking leaves for men is to see women as nothing but incorporeal spirits with beautiful souls, which would make us men, by definition, asexuals, or gay, which is what feminists want.

                      But arent' well crafted attempts even more sexist by pure definition?
                      No. Unless you define sexism as heterosexuality. If you don't, then what's the alternative? Are men not allowed to try their best to get as many women into bed as they'd like? What about women? Are they allowed, according to your newfound nice guy PCness, to put on make up, wear push up bras, and coordinate with their friends to try to get some dick? Or is female heterosexuality just as "problematic" to you?

                      But hell, this forum has a women only seating section. On the surface that is an accommodation, and I'm sure that was the intent, but it is a segregation in plain sight.
                      There are two ways to end this so called "segregation." 1. Bisexuality. 2. Androgyny. Which do you prefer?

                      We think so little about things like that in pure pua communities that it sits there in plain sight unquestioned.
                      Because we're not doing anything wrong. We're acting like normal heterosexuals, as distinguished from asexuals. And asexuality becomes a requirement under the "sexual objectification" paradigm.

                      But on PURE sexism, "genderism" more apt, do we divide ourselves (from women) in his community almost down to the soul (emotions and mind and sexuality) more than any other group?
                      Of course we do. There's a word for that - HETEROSEXUALITY!

                      I think so. Just an analysis that's interesting to me. Not that we need to change or anything,
                      How gracious of you! Dude, snap out of it! Your PC heterophobia is chilling!

                      I mean I think most of us have resigned that we are hedonistic pleasure seekers
                      Resigned? As in surrendered? As if we fought against it and lost? As if it's bad? Dude, women like sex too and "objectify" (read: empower) us men as well! Or do you want women to see you as nothing but a non-physical entity with a beautiful soul?

                      and want to control. Even in finding long term love probably (I know at least I) want to control it fully.
                      And so do women.

                      Jesus dude. This isn't the 1610 Massachusetts Bay colony.





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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by NWP View Post


                        Resigned? As in surrendered? As if we fought against it and lost? As if it's bad?


                        Precisely, that was what I meant from an outside perception. On the tip of my tongue/brain/fingers whatever!

                        I mean are we in SUCH a bubble here, and so as you would put it red pill, that we don't even realize we are from an outside perspective as sexist as can possibly be?

                        Because to me this is all just completely totally normal day to day life. Resigned as in "just what I am and 99% of people can't even grasp it and I realize that". I've come to terms with that 15 years ago. I see women in grocery stores and am by mainstream standard SO sexist that they are like a shiny object and I am a child that has to have it, and break through all normal behavior and try to meet and fuck them.

                        I am saying specific to an outside perception of "sexist" we have to be the pinnacle of some sort. I'm not thinking outside the box here. I love this lifestyle and the game. Hell I've championed it and innovated in it for almost 2 decades now. I'm thinking outside the bubble here in fascination that we are what we are and don't even analyze it. Maybe it's just a moment of "whoa we probably aren't normal to most people" because I've been in this so long.


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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Bacchus View Post

                          As for the question of are we by definition sexist, my answer to that is yes, as per today's definition of sexism and objectification of women.


                          Yeah that's what I meant. Not a call to action to change or anything haha. But I mean we have to be THE most unapologetic sexists there are. Oddly less creepy, fucked up towards women etc than many other groups though. But at an absolute notion of differentiation by gender we are far beyond the "mainstream manosphere" even. It fascinates me that it feels so normal to think and behave and talk to each other this way, when all these cries from the mainstream are in the air about all the other male-female dynamics.

                          I suppose we are so fringe that as long as they can't get video of Julien Cabbage patching some chick and take it out of context, they know we are long circled wagons who wont listen to their bullshit anyway (media shame), and we don't wield enough power of any kind to be worth attacking (no votes, no celebs, no big money) so we get left alone. Though we are massively crazy fringe.



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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by pureevil View Post
                            Sexism implies prejudice and discrimination .
                            I tend to think like the Dave Chapelle joked once that everyone is a massive racist,and sexist etc. Prejudice and discrimination are byproducts of it, but not essentially acted on. Those things are different in that they are what you act out or feel, vs simple analytical thoughts (racist, sexist), mere differentiation not hatred (feelings, prejudice) or active attempts to hold down others (discrimination).



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