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  • #16
    Originally posted by Logic&Reason View Post
    True. If you never actually get very good at game, and get in the habit of utilizing a series temporary cheat codes over time
    Online game isn't a temporary cheat code. It is a type of game.
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    (this sugar baby game method is the next chapter in this ongoing temporary cheat code series.)
    Until the FBI shuts down these sites under the federal RICO statute. Creating and maintaining international prostitution rings is a serious felony! So far, these sites have not been shut down because the elites like them. But this won't last forever! I have my popcorn ready!

    Actually getting good at game fundamentals is the most efficient (time x $) way of getting laid with quality girls by far,
    Agreed! But you can apply these game fundamentals online. Especially alpha male behaviors and exhibiting attractive attitudes.

    Its a shame that people will put 10 years. . 10 YEARS. . . into this and only come out of it with a string of outdated online cheat codes
    You obviously have no experience with online, which makes you a KJ!



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    • #17
      Originally posted by No More Mr Nice Guy View Post
      SD dating always seemed like “prostitution” lite” to me.
      There is nothing "lite" about it. Something is either prostitution or it's not. Period!

      But there seems to be a loophole....
      No, there isn't.

      Based on my reading (so, yeah, somewhat KJ). there are some guys who are seducing these girls without paying them and without lying to them. Look at the link that Hustler posted - that guy is doing it. Also, read the comments in the BD article - some of those guys are doing it too. Ditto for some of the guys who post on the Rosh V forum.
      It doesn't matter! The woman is still having sex with you for a non-sexual reason. Even if you end up not paying her (so called "salt daddy"), she still got into this in the first place for some type of non-sexual benefit. If a woman has sex in a way that makes nonsense of her own heterosexuality, it's prostitution. And it's weak and pathetic!

      They seem to target girls who are attracted to older men, and provide fun companionship, mentoring, and access to a better lifestyle than the young-but-broke guys.
      If you are providing mentoring or "access to a better lifestyle" than she is a hooker and you are a weak loser. No loopholes.

      There is only sex in exchange for sex. And then there is prostitution. And in this community, we're all about the former!
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      • #18
        Very sad guys! unfortunately, you lose credibility when you turn a valid point in which everybody, even the online guys agree on and turn it into the old agendas coming out... Extremely disappointing....

        this is going to be a long one, first what is a straw man:


        Straw Man

        A fallacy is an argument or belief based on erroneous reasoning. Straw man is one type of logical fallacy. Straw man occurs when someone argues that a person holds a view that is actually not what the other person believes. Instead, it is a distorted version of what the person believes. So, instead of attacking the person's actual statement or belief, it is the distorted version that is attacked.

        Examples of Straw Man:

        1. Senator Smith says that the nation should not add to the defense budget. Senator Jones says that he cannot believe that Senator Smith wants to leave the nation defenseless.

        2. Caroline says that she thinks her friends should not be so rude to the new girl. Jenna says that she cannot believe that Caroline is choosing to be better friends with the new girl than the girls who have always known her.

        3. Pamela is the class secretary. She says that she thinks that the class should do more service projects. Mark says he can't believe that Pamela doesn't support the annual school dance.

        4. Biology teacher begins teaching evolution by stating that all things evolve. Student says she just can't accept that humans came from bugs.

        5. Student tells his professor that he thinks some of Donald Trump's positions have merit. Professor says he can't believe that the student believes in support racism.

        6. Student tells his professor that he thinks some of Hillary Clinton's positions have merit. Professor says he can't believe that the student supports giving access to classified documents to foreign countries.

        The idea that one dude that did and got laid of day game and did and got laid of social circle, then try night game (did not like him due to waking up late, noise etc... his personal feelings) and saw online game as a niche he could be good at and exploit does not mean online game = prostitution...

        By the way Dan Balzirian or whatever his name is gets laid with hotter girls than any of us and pay for prostitutes, pe paid for prositutes, gun paid for prostitutes, i paid for prostitutes here is a post i made on the subject:


        This is a quote by a seducer that goes by Qlue, that got me thinking about this subject:
        LOL at all the puritan thinking in this thread. If something gets you what you want, then that’s all that matters, doesn’t matter if you’re a millionaire, a bum, a lifestyle fashion designer, or whatever. If it gets you laid with your personal 10 and you’re enjoying your life, then you’re successful. Anything beyond that is mental masturbation and dick measuring.

        If a few million dollars fell in my lap right now and I were single, I’d probably go to escorts every week for the rest of my life and would never again worry about game unless I had a desire for something more than sex.”


        This is another quote by a seducer named Blackdragon under the blog the 4 way men get sex – pros and cons



        Option 3: Have sex with hookers

        This is an option chosen by a smaller segment of the male population who have higher incomes (or more disposable income), and who also don’t mind wearing condoms every time they have sex. Under option 3, you get the freedom of the player but without having to spend all the time, work, and effort. Paying sugar babies for sex is also a variation of option 3.

        The downsides? Beyond the obvious ones of condoms and being aware of STDs (at least in areas of the world where this is a problem with hookers), it also costs a hell of a lot more money than the player, who can often get laid for free or close to it. However, men with higher incomes may not consider this a negative, since they make so much money they don’t care or even notice the expense.

        Another problem is that option 3 probably is the least societally acceptable option for men getting sex of all four options. You’re probably not going to be able to tell your family and co-workers about how you get laid, or if you do, you’ll have to be somewhat careful and covert about it. It’s true that this stigma against having sex with prostitutes is less in some cultures than in others, but you know what I mean.

        Lastly, the man who chooses option 3 will, like the player, eventually feel unfulfilled with this option in the long-term unless he’s an unusual exception to the rule.


        Some seducers like Pureevil, me, Gunwitch have also mentioned how in some cases is more efficient to money max vs hunting, if is feasible (please don’t troll or take shit out of context, pure economics). In before, the nitpickers on what the community is coming too, fuck off!.

        Anyways, the point is that lets say your a high roller stock broker/realtor or ___________________, super busy, working a lot making deals that make you x amount of money and you do not have time to constantly hunt for Pussy, plus you have an absolute advantage money maxing vs. hunting, in before you say is an excuse not to hunt (I am the cheapest player in the community and i have been hunting and seducing almost none stop all my life since 15, so fuck off)…

        Now that we got that out of the way, some dudes like my seducer friend named Tank are on the process of giving up or about to give up due to all the effort they make at seduction with limited success… Again using my seducer friend Tank as an example in one post he mentioned expending 3k on coaching a month.(waste of money if you ask me).

        So my take if you are over 75k and your debt to income ratio (total of monthly debts divided by monthly income is under 38%, why not) ok, for the guys to slow in math 6280 GROSS AND ALL DEBTS and savings less than 2375, again then why not…

        If you are in a sexless marriage, your wife does not do it for you anymore etc… and you do not want to hurt the wife, then instead of having her take you to the cleaners by your cheating, this would be another alternative (better and cheaper than divorce and less drama than cheating).

        Here is a dude making an argument for prostitution, I do not agree 100% with it (most of what he describes does not apply to players for example players don’t spend money on dates, specially $400 dollars like he says in the essay), but very interesting:

        Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

        A Short Essay by John Doe

        Is it cheaper to have sex with normal women than with prostitutes? No, and here is why.

        When you have sex with a normal girl, it’s by no means “free”. You have to take her out to dinner, buy her drinks, and you might have to go on two or even three dates before you will have sex with her. If you add up the total costs of these three dates, it would be approxiately around 400 dollars.

        Now let’s look at the cost of the average high quality prostitute. You can bang a prostitute for 2 hours for 250 dollars.

        What are the benefits of using prostitutes instead of dating normal women?

        1. The average prostitute is far hotter than the average normal woman you can date.

        2. YOU get to do the choosing, and the power of choice is in YOUR hands, instead of in the woman’s hands

        3. With a prostitute, you have sex with her and that’s it. No emotional drama, no mind games, no bullshit, like there is with normal women.

        4. You don’t have to waste hours of your valuable time that you could otherwise spend on making money, taking women out on dates or trying to pick up women in bars and clubs. No, instead you pay a prostitute for one or two hours of her time, have sex with her, and leave.

        5. You choose WHEN you want to have sex. So let’s say you’re a busy businessman, instead of wasting 5 hours at a bar or on a date, instead you’d spend only one or two hours with a prostitute, and that at your convience too. YOU are the one who chooses WHEN, and so you save a LOT of time.

        6. Prostites are DEFINITELY cheaper than getting married. Overall, through a 10 year marriage and divorce, you’d end up spending at least 250,000 dollars. Now let’s take that number and divide it by 250 dollars, which is the average price of a high quality prostitute in a Western country. That is sex with 1000 different high quality prostitutes. Now if you talk to any married man, who is HONEST, he will admit that sex with the wife after the first 6 months or year starts to get boring. And this is why people in long term relationships barely have sex, because it’s BORING having sex with the same person time after time. Variety is the spice of life! You could have sex with 1000 different women for the same price it would cost to marry one woman and have sex with her. And considering how unstable most western women are nowadays, the chance of divorce is around 60%, with the woman initiating the divorce 90% of the time. You are likely to lose at least 50% of your assets and savings in a divorce, and so marriage to a western woman may end up costing you up to 500,000 dollars or even a million dollars, once you add in the divorce costs and long term child payment and alimony costs.

        So let’s take that number, one million dollars, and divide it by 250. That’s 4000 DIFFERENT women you could pay to have sex with, instead of marrying one woman who will just end up turning into a bitch and divorcing you anyway. So it’s your choice guys. Would you rather marry one woman, who will get bored of sex after 6 months, and end up stealing all your assets and savings in divorce, or would you rather have sex with 4000 different beautiful women for the same price?

        Another very relevant point is that the world of modern dating has become quite risky. Most women see nothing wrong with making a false rape accusation against a man. Most rape cases are fake and are done out of a motive of REVENGE by the woman. Did you break up with your girlfriend? Watch out, she might make a false rape accusation against you just to get revenge. Did you cheat on your girl with another girl? Watch out, she might make a false rape accusation just to get revenge on you. Forgot to tell your girlfriend “happy birthday”? Watch out, she might make a false rape accusation against you in order to get revenge on you. At least 90% of rape cases are FALSE, the sex was CONSENSUAL and the woman later changed her mind AFTER the act and decided “oh it was rape”. LOL. And this is why the police no longer take rape cases seriously, because literally 90% of women who claim to have been raped are LYING!

        So that is another HUGE benefit of prostitues. A prostitute won’t make a false rape accusation against you.

        What’s another GREAT reason that men choose to use prostitutes? Because by paying for sex, they can have sex with a MUCH hotter quality of woman than they would normally. For example, if we rate women on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of beauty. The average guy will be able to pick up and have sex with a 4 or a 5 from a bar, a club, or Tinder. Meanwhile, if the same man paid for sex with a high quality prostitute for $250 dollars (about the same amount of money he would spend picking up a 4 or 5 from a bar, club, or Tinder), the prostitute he would have sex with would be an 8 or 9 on the beauty scale. So for the same amount of money, he can have sex with a much hotter woman, and with much less effort too. Think about all the effort you have to put in to go to a bar or club. You have to buy good clothes, you have to spend lots of money on drinks and food, and also have to spend a lot of money on making sure your apartment is cool and stylish so the girl will feel comfortable there. So unless you’re a man who was blessed with the looks of Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise and have women chasing after you, the easiest and cheapest option for most men to have sex with the hottest quality of women is to simply PAY for sex with a hot prostitute. One guy was asked why he paid to have sex with prostitutes and his reply was “If I’m being brutally honest, the hottest women I’ve ever had sex with have been prostitutes … I would never be able to have sex with women who are ridiculously hot unless they were prostitutes.” I can also personally testify to this point. The types of chicks I was getting from Tinder were mostly fat or at best mildly hot, I would have rated them between a 3 and a 6 on the attraction scale. Then the first time I went to a prostitute, I was blown away with the options and the QUALITY too. Here were super hot girls who I could bang for such a cheap price. Needless to say, I gave up on dating and ONLY bang prostitutes now. I’m a much happier and peaceful person as a result.

        Another couple of reasons that men gave as to why they choose to have sex with prostitutes are:

        “Getting a prostitute is so easy: no strings attached, you can choose the woman you want before you purchase, then they arrive at your door. Couldn’t be easier.”

        I can also testify to this. Getting a normal girl to have sex is a real pain in the ass and involves so much struggle, drama, and mind games. Then of course after you have sex with her, you have to deal with her stalking you, calling you so many times, and with her unrealistic expectation that you are going to have a committed and exclusively relationship with her. All that compared with the EASE of banging a hot prostitute, and the choice is simple. I chose to not waste time trying to date women anymore and only bang hot prostitutes now.

        “We want to have sex without all the bullshit of pretending to be really interested in a girl. When you pay for sex, you don’t have to swap numbers at the end when you know you won’t call. You pay, have sex, she leaves. Everyone’s happy.”

        This goes along with the above point. With normal women and dating, you have to PRETEND to care about her and PRETEND to be interested in her, when in reality all you want is to have sex with her. With a prostitute, there is no pretensions and that really is a beautiful thing because ultimately then sex becomes about the raw physical act as well as the pure attractiveness of the woman, and thus you are able to enjoy sex a lot more.

        Lastly, let’s touch on the issue of legalization. On average surveys, 70 percent of men said they would vote to legalize prostitution, meanwhile 60 percent of women said they would vote to keep prostitution illegal. Now it’s pretty obvious why women want to keep prostitution illegal. Women use sex as a weapon to control men. So it would disrupt the economics of women’s control over sex if prostitution was legalized, because then MEN would have control over WHO they want to have sex with and WHEN. Forget all those arguments about morality, the REAL reason women want to keep prostitution illegal is so that they can CONTINUE to control men with sex. In effect, women are like a mafia that is desperate to keep control of the sexual marketplace. If prostitution was legal, men would be a lot less inclined to put up with women’s bullshit just to get sex from them, when they can go pay for sex from a much more attractive woman and without all the hassles and drama that dating and normal women bring.

        What about STDs some of you might say? Well the whole STD scare is mostly a MYTH that has been blown way out of proportion by feminists and conservative religious leaders in order to scare men away from having sex. In reality, the rate of transmission of AIDS is 1 out of 700 during heterosexual sex. That is, if a man had penis to vagina intercourse with an AIDS-infected woman, it would take 700 times on average before he would contract it. The only way people get AIDS is through using needles to inject drugs, or having anal sex, especially with homosexuals. So the whole AIDS thing is a huge scare, a MYTH, that has been blown way out of proportion.

        What about Herpes? Well studies show that 80% of the US population already has Herpes in one of it’s forms, so that is not really an issue.

        The only other STD that you would have to worry about is Chlamydia, and it can be easily cured within 3 days with antibiotics.

        Now, that is UNPROTECTED sex. If you are using condoms to have sex with, then the chances of getting any of these STDs becomes less than zero. And that includes oral sex as well. Most prostitutes will insist that you always use a condom, even during oral sex. So as long as you are using condoms, then STDs are nothing you should even remotely worry about.

        So what are some of the main reasons why prostitution should be legalized?

        1. If prostitution was legal, it would reduce the STD transmission rate by about 50% amongst prostitutes.

        2. If prostitution was legal, it would reduce rape by at least 150%.
        Many studies have shown that legal prostitution reduces rape, sexual assault, and other sex crimes by a lot. The same studies have shown that legal prostitution reduces the STD rate amongst the general population by about 50%.

        3. The real number of human trafficking victims in the prostitution industry is actually less than 5%. But if prostitution was fully legal, the tiny number of women who are forced into prostitution involuntarily would be able to go to the poliec to get help and escape from their pimps. Keeping prostitution illegal hurts prostitutes the most, so it’s funny how feminists want to keep prostitution illegal and yet at the same time claim they care about women’s health and women’s rights. Feminism is nothing but the biggest pile of bullshit hypocrisy the world has ever seen.

        4. Feminists say “my body, my choice”. So if 95% of prostitutes are VOLUNTARILY engaging in prostitution, then why should those women have the RIGHT to choose what to do with their own bodies, even if that includes trading sex for money? What right does the government or anyone else have to tell two consenting adults that they cannot exchange money for sex?

        5. It would save a lot of money and resources from our police and government. Tens of millions of dollars a year are wasted by our police and government arresting and putting prostitutes in jail. If prostitution was LEGAL, on the other hand, and taxed and regulated, it would bring in tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars a year in tax revenue for our government, as well as freeing up valuable police time for REAL crimes like rape, theft, murder, assault, etc.

        6. If prostitution was legal, prostitutes would have legal rights and would not longer get taken advantage of by pimps and other shady figures, including corrupt police officers. Yes, the police also contribute to the oppression of prostitutes because there are many corrupt police officers out there who blackmail and extort prostitutes for money and/or sexual favors. If prostitution was legal, all of this would end and prostitutes would finally have legal rights.

        7. Prostitution is the world’s oldest profession. It is NEVER going to stop no matter how much the police or government tries to stop it. There are ALWAYS going to be men who are willing to pay money for sex, and there are ALWAYS going to be women who are willing to give sex to men for money. Prostitution has also been an integral part of many cultures and thus trying to stop it is literally impossible. And why should it be stopped? No one has the right to tell two consenting adults that they cannot exchange money for sex. So rather than waste time trying to stop it, just legalize it and tax it, the same way we do with cigarettes, alcohol, and now marijuana.

        All in all, I believe in personal freedom. I believe that no one has the right to force their own sense of morality onto others. In some very ancient cultures, prostitutes were actually given very high status in society and considered as spiritual people who could heal men of their problems through sex. That was thousands of years ago though, before self-righteous modern western religions were invented and started violently forcing their concepts of morality onto people. Funny how societies that were thousands of years old were actually far more advanced than we are in the modern age in terms of sex and prostitutes.

        It took almost a century for people to wake up and legalize marijuana, which is a completely harmless natural plant that hurts no one. In the same way, society and people in general have to EVOLVE and realize that they have no right to force their own sense of morality or control onto others. The modern society is actually a very sexually restrictive society, compared to cultures and civilizations of the past. And it’s this sexual restrictiveness which contributes to so much psychological neurosis, sex crimes, and frustration in general. Is it a coincidence how people in America are so quick to anger and lose their temper, whereas in a place like Thailand where prostitution is legal and accepted, people are very laid back and cool headed? People need to stop seeing sex as such a big thing, and just realize that sex is a normal and acceptable part of life.

        With that said, I believe that I have covered all the points as to why prostitution should be legal and an accepted part of society, and so this essay comes to a close. Please feel free to copy, paste, and distribute this essay as my goal is to influence and educate as many people as possible, the only thing I ask is that you do not change it or edit it in any way whatsoever. Thank you very much

        Sincerely,

        John Doe
        Here is a video by Tyler Durden (rsd) making the counter argument:




        ^ all of that cortesy of skills blog http://www.theskillsmethod.com/the-c...-prostitution/


        About online game vs the other forms of games:

        Online skips the approach anxiety (though i experience a bit of texting anxiety online) , online by passes the live opening and the cockblocking........

        online does not require you to isolate.

        Online you are dealing i would argue with a lot more competition

        You may get a missrepresentation of the pics (1 to 2 points lower than the pics)


        HERE IS ANOTHER ONE, not every fucking dude is attracted to 18-24 which is the club demographic, some fucking dudes are looking for a long term matting strategy (wowow skills i know a revolutionary concepts)

        if a girl in a club is between 10-15 years of my age range my ratios would destroy the ratios of any guys here, i can get 4 out 5.... Skills how many women in the early 30s you would see at a clubs less than 5%, and attractive the ratio goes to 1% why? cause they are online.... Not everybody is in cali or Miami or ny were you may see more older women out.




        Why is bd doing sd? Probably due to the new wife as nwp is saying....


        Why a lot of guys look down on online? Cause they suck at texting, they suck at online, they are not good at it...They do not have written charisma.... They are proficient at other games, but have not master online.....

        ^ so basically they are doing what bd is doing, bd is not proficient at cold approach so for years made some strawmans and plesure of sex and pleasure of thrill garbage rationalizations etc... (though the concepts are somewhat ok, they were used to justify stuff, my opinion)




        now:

        in before "every body agrees online quality is lower"

        in before "online is not what the community was founded on" (dude we are in 2019, Todd rsd met his main online, Maxx met his girl online, I can go on and on, a lot of public seducers in the closet about this shit, pe fuck one of the hottest girl he ever had from online)



        I hate when i have to do post like this since i have not even open a dating app in almost a year, but jesus christ guys! i know you hate bd, but this is caca


        By the way again you can do sugar daddy game this way:


        go on the sugar dating site, get the girl to meet, fuck her and seducer for free.... Steve jabba did this, that is my definition of sugar daddy game








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        • #19
          Originally posted by TheHustler View Post
          Yeah it is not true seduction at all just a way to get laid and I think we should stick to true seduciton around here.
          And then:

          I wondered if I should post that link in online game (about sugar daddy how to).
          No, you shouldn't have. The cancer is spreading!

          I wanted to provide content to help get newbies posting to the forum since there is a lack of posting.
          You don't get losers to post by encouraging their loserhood. You bring them to our level instead of sinking this community to theirs.

          Please delete that filth!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by NWP View Post

            And then:



            No, you shouldn't have. The cancer is spreading!



            You don't get losers to post by encouraging their loserhood. You bring them to our level instead of sinking this community to theirs.

            Please delete that filth!
            what if you meet a sugar daddy girl in the sd site and seduce her without money...

            Mystery used to seduce and date stripper, no money spent....(i also did the same)

            You can also meet and seduce prostitutes aka escorts and fuck them free (i have done this)


            you are letting your personal phylosophy get into what i call bait and switch seduction


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            • #21
              Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
              Very sad guys! unfortunately, you lose credibility when you turn a valid point in which everybody, even the online guys agree on and turn it into the old agendas coming out... Extremely disappointing....
              EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

              Even in the midst of a unanimous anti-prostitution love fest, the haters, like cockroaches, will come out of their holes and do what they do best!

              This is a quote by a seducer that goes by Qlue,
              Qlue is no longer a seducer. He is a pro-prostitution, pro-monogamy, raging slut shamer! He's surrendered to the 1950s.

              Now that we got that out of the way, some dudes like my seducer friend named Tank are on the process of giving up or about to give up due to all the effort they make at seduction with limited success…
              That's why you get yourself a stable rotation of, let's say, six regular women. If three leave, you still have three, which should be enough. You won't have to get back into the game for a long time. Getting exhausted is a symptom of constantly trying to meet new women, even if you already have multiple ones in your rotation. In other words, fatigue is a symptom of being TOTH. Sorry!

              So my take if you are over 75k and your debt to income ratio (total of monthly debts divided by monthly income is under 38%, why not) ok, for the guys to slow in math 6280 GROSS AND ALL DEBTS and savings less than 2375, again then why not
              Why not? Several reasons:

              1. A woman having sex with you, despite the fact that she isn't sexually attracted to you, is corrosive to your self esteem as a man. You would fuck an obese warpig if she paid you 50,000 dollars. That doesn't exactly make you feel good. Prostitution is toxic to a man's sense of self worth. An actress putting on a show is deceptive and it robs men of their satisfaction.

              2. Framing sex as a favor that a woman generously does for you is female supremacy. It makes nonsense of a woman heterosexuality, thus setting up a dynamic whereby you, the grateful receiver, are inferior to her, the generous giver.

              3. You are contributing to a very disturbing and emerging cultural norm of female supremacy and self-righteous cuntery, thus, in the long run, making it harder for guys like me to have sex in exchange for sex because more and more gold digging is becoming socially acceptable. This emboldens otherwise normal women to get in touch with their inner whore! You're fucking the culture up for me!

              4. What you're doing is illegal. Eventually, all of these sugar daddy sites like Seeking Arrangement will be shut down by the FBI.

              If you are in a sexless marriage, your wife does not do it for you anymore etc… and you do not want to hurt the wife, then instead of having her take you to the cleaners by your cheating, this would be another alternative (better and cheaper than divorce and less drama than cheating).
              Hey dude, going to a hooker is still cheating. And your wife will still take you to the cleaners in divorce court if you are stupid enough to get monogamous or married.

              Why is bd doing sd? Probably due to the new wife as nwp is saying...
              Exactly! She basically betaized him. She didn't like him fucking other women unless he pays for it. Also, remember on his blog when she said in bold text that she will never again post there because she's tired of me disrespecting her? Then BD banned me and now she's posting again. Basically, she used feminine tactics to manipulate him into banning me. He's been betaized by a hyper-feminine Disney princess.
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              Why a lot of guys look down on online? Cause they suck at texting, they suck at online, they are not good at it...
              Precisely!

              They do not have written charisma....
              Whereas I, as a former attorney, do.












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              • #22
                Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
                what if you meet a sugar daddy girl in the sd site and seduce her without money...

                Mystery used to seduce and date stripper, no money spent....(i also did the same)

                You can also meet and seduce prostitutes aka escorts and fuck them free (i have done this)
                In my mind, any woman who wants to be a "sugar baby" or fuck toothless morbidly obese guys for money is trash! Indeed, any woman going on a hooker site is already human garbage to me. A pure female supremacist piece of filth!

                you are letting your personal phylosophy get into what i call bait and switch seduction
                The most objective problem I have with it is that it will be too tempting to just pay the money if you put yourself in that position. Especially if you're a newbie.
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                • #23
                  For me, the most dedicated cold approaching, who eventually become masters, are the ones in the average/above average looks department.

                  The really good looking non-spergy guys don't really need to cold approach to get laid because 1) they can go to any bar, on any given night and pick up (or be picked up) a girl with very minimal game, not having to worry about making sure to set the sex prizing frame, spontaneous frame, calibrate to her blueprint, DHV stories etc, Because she (an attractive girl) will make it easy for him (warm approach) (and in some cases, do all of the work for him). Same with online game.

                  To an average/above average looking man, he will simply not be able to sleep with tons of attractive girls/build a harem consisting of attractive girls via online game no matter how good his game is, because the girls he's interested in (say 1 or 2 SMV points higher than him), can only judge him on his average looks. So what's a man with average looks to do: message the average/below average girls who are interested in his average looks, OR put the phone down, and get out there and go cold approach those girls you really want?

                  "in before "every body agrees online quality is lower"

                  For average/above average looking dudes, this is certainly true. Because the girls he ends up matching with ARE lower quality to the girls he's used to picking up via daygame/nightgame.

                  Lets take average looking Todd V for example.

                  Look at his girlfriend he picked up online:

                  https://i.imgur.com/M5zkGdM.png
                  https://image.ibb.co/iRAXrb/1583_528...996_1545_n.jpg

                  and compare that to the girls you see him closing via night/day game.

                  If the cold approacher, were picking up the same quality of girls he matches with online, then I guess you can say it'd really not be worth it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Velasco View Post
                    For me, the most dedicated cold approaching, who eventually become masters, are the ones in the average/above average looks department.

                    The really good looking non-spergy guys don't really need to cold approach to get laid because 1) they can go to any bar, on any given night and pick up (or be picked up) a girl with very minimal game, not having to worry about making sure to set the sex prizing frame, spontaneous frame, calibrate to her blueprint, DHV stories etc, Because she (an attractive girl) will make it easy for him (warm approach) (and in some cases, do all of the work for him). Same with online game.

                    To an average/above average looking man, he will simply not be able to sleep with tons of attractive girls/build a harem consisting of attractive girls via online game no matter how good his game is, because the girls he's interested in (say 1 or 2 SMV points higher than him), can only judge him on his average looks. So what's a man with average looks to do: message the average/below average girls who are interested in his average looks, OR put the phone down, and get out there and go cold approach those girls you really want?

                    "in before "every body agrees online quality is lower"

                    For average/above average looking dudes, this is certainly true. Because the girls he ends up matching with ARE lower quality to the girls he's used to picking up via daygame/nightgame.

                    Lets take average looking Todd V for example.

                    Look at his girlfriend he picked up online:

                    https://i.imgur.com/M5zkGdM.png
                    https://image.ibb.co/iRAXrb/1583_528...996_1545_n.jpg

                    and compare that to the girls you see him closing via night/day game.

                    If the cold approacher, were picking up the same quality of girls he matches with online, then I guess you can say it'd really not be worth it.
                    You know that girls you have ONS with and those you make into baby mamas are judged and should be judged on different criteria. Likme honestly for a long term partner, looks is far less important to me than a casual partner.

                    For longer term stuff, looks do matter, but she doesn't have to be the hottest I have been with. It is who she is that matters at this point. For ONS - it is all about looks and sexual vibe.

                    That was it when it came to my judgement of looks. Now concerning the PUA's look:

                    I match with far better and hotter women IRL than online, which is why I don't like Tinder or Online. I don't even get a chance with the hot tinder girls. I match only with average looking girls (I don't swipe yes on UG's)

                    So for pua's, matching with ugly girls online does not mean he will deal with the same quality IRL.

                    Your message is off on so many levels, but here are some pretty obvious pointers.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Velasco View Post
                      For me, the most dedicated cold approaching, who eventually become masters, are the ones in the average/above average looks department.
                      No reason why nobody can become above average in the looks department, you hang out in lookisim so you have seen multiple transformations, i am sure.... and i already debunked this to death here


                      The really good looking non-spergy guys don't really need to cold approach to get laid because 1) they can go to any bar, on any given night and pick up (or be picked up) a girl with very minimal game, not having to worry about making sure to set the sex prizing frame, spontaneous frame, calibrate to her blueprint, DHV stories etc, Because she (an attractive girl) will make it easy for him (warm approach) (and in some cases, do all of the work for him). Same with online game.
                      Total kj i know subserge keeps making that claim, I have not seen it personally.... Omg! in my new video i talk about this (coming out in couple of hours) with a live sample. The thing is you hang out in lookism lol...


                      To an average/above average looking man, he will simply not be able to sleep with tons of attractive girls/build a harem consisting of attractive girls via online game no matter how good his game is, because the girls he's interested in (say 1 or 2 SMV points higher than him), can only judge him on his average looks. So what's a man with average looks to do: message the average/below average girls who are interested in his average looks, OR put the phone down, and get out there and go cold approach those girls you really want?

                      "in before "every body agrees online quality is lower"

                      For average/above average looking dudes, this is certainly true. Because the girls he ends up matching with ARE lower quality to the girls he's used to picking up via daygame/nightgame.
                      this is true for younger, as i explain for older and long matting strategy you will have a harder time meeting older women out, you may disagree but that is my experience.


                      Lets take average looking Todd V for example.

                      Look at his girlfriend he picked up online:

                      https://i.imgur.com/M5zkGdM.png
                      https://image.ibb.co/iRAXrb/1583_528...996_1545_n.jpg

                      and compare that to the girls you see him closing via night/day game.

                      If the cold approacher, were picking up the same quality of girls he matches with online, then I guess you can say it'd really not be worth it.

                      There are other things other than "looks" per se that go into a long term matting strategies and child rearing or whatever the word is, i know is not popular and sound backward rationalizing but is just the truth...


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Teevster View Post

                        Now concerning the PUA's look:

                        I match with far better and hotter women IRL than online, which is why I don't like Tinder or Online. I don't even get a chance with the hot tinder girls. I match only with average looking girls
                        Exactly! That's all I'm saying lol. That's why we (above average looking guys) prefer cold approach to online game.

                        I don't have Tinder (or any online dating apps), but my wing does.

                        He takes high quality cool pictures, and shit but he never matches with any hot girls in NYC. Because his face isn't that good looking (he is lookmaxxed tho: very fashionable, nice haircut, lifts. sexual bio)

                        When he travels to third world countries, he does get some matches with decent looking girls but that's because he's running novelty/high status game over there.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by NWP View Post

                          Not exactly. As a pleasure of sex guy, I'd say - "the purpose of seduction is to find the most efficient way to establish a mutual primal connection with a woman in order to get laid based on mutual attraction."
                          ..._
                          Ok, I can agree with that. Personally I need more than "primal connection" but I get your point. The view I had quoted : "purpose= least investment to PIV" is just ridiculous but it comes up sometimes on this forum.
                          Not that I think investment can be objectively measured, I enjoy banter, teasing, coquetry, and tension (sometimes more than sex itself.) So I tend to prolong the seduction process. To a loner like BD that might be a inexcusable waste of time.
                          Originally posted by NWP View Post
                          What????? I had sex with my girlfriend on our first date. Do you know how much money I spent on her? Zero dollars and zero cents! I bought myself a coffee and she bought her own! etc. ...

                          ... game is cheap. Prostitution is expensive!
                          _
                          In the old country my father had a joke. Two friends talking:
                          -Did you ever pay for sex?
                          -Whaaaaat?!?!? Do you think you ever didn't?


                          You said "girlfriend", didn't you? Than you're still paying. To me having a girlfriend or a harem is expensive. It costs me focus, calendar, logistics, travel, money, possibly social/ career opportunities, distraction from my mission, etc. Permanently sarging for ONS is even more expensive (for me.) I haven't tried it successfully for very long but, for me/ right now, serial monogamy might be the least taxing relationship. It takes focus and energy but it might be the reward I need (a deeper connection with high value woman) at an acceptable price (relationship management.) Give me a year and I'll let you know. Yes I have "free" social game options available, and I'm sure if I went out sarging for ONS again, I'd get laid 3 out of four weekends per month. But that, to me, is even more expensive. If all I wanted was cheap sex, $150 would be a good price.

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                          • #28
                            I know this guy, who was from my circle of friends way back when. He was the Chief Engineer at two radio stations, an AM & FM that were family owned and were the highest rated in the city, and were in the same building. A high paying job. He drove a new BMW, his favorite car. He owned a house and had nice furniture and a killer stereo. When the parents died, the younger generation just wanted the money and sold the stations to one of the mega radio networks, and they cheapened up everything and he got the boot. He almost immediately got a job with a major business jet manufacturer because he was a major electronics nerd. He was trained to trouble shoot the radars on business jets, and they flew him to the customers when they had problems. This was a very high paying job.

                            He was really nerdy, and likely only attractive to women who wanted a husband and future alimony money well. He solved that problem by paying for call girls. Did it his whole life. He'd call whoever he got them from, a girl would show up at his place in a cab, fuck him for a few hours and leave. He seemed happy, and never had girlfriend/wife problems like myself and most of the rest of my friends.

                            Old saying; You don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to go away quietly after sex.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by NWP View Post
                              All forms of game (including online game) are about creating a mutual connection with a woman - even if that connection is exclusively physical and based on nothing but sexual lust. The point is that that connection is mutual. Online game achieves that mutual primal connection, just like club game, etc...
                              Originally posted by NWP View Post

                              Do you have any experience with online game? Or are you just a complete KJ on this issue? I'm leaning towards the latter!

                              ...
                              You jumped to that conclusion, before you even finished your post. Shocker lol.

                              Anyway, I used Tinder on and off about 3 years ago. Sometimes I used it to swipe, message girls and get dates the usual way, I also messed around with a pretty unorthodox way of using it too. However the majority of these girls who matched and showed up, were those average looking girls, that I usually regulate to the periphery levels of my field of vision when out doing cold approach. I have a report somewhere here, with the only girl I met from Tinder that was hot enough for me to consider actually gaming. We went home together.

                              But it's an old report from an earlier phase in my journey, and I wasn't able to close the deal. Shortly after that I decided there wasn't much point in continuing to meet up with mostly average girls off it. While still meeting attractive girls from cold approach. So I wrote it off as redundant. And since then I've gone numerous dates, from cold approach day game, night game and my various social circles. Fucked dozens of girls this way. Since last summer I've also been on a streak, where if a girl shows up to a date, I always end up banging her. And I clocked another one last week. Plus I get same night pulls from night life and social circle events.

                              To put things succinctly. I've put in the time and effort to become proficient at fucking girls from day game, night game and social circle.

                              Excuse the not so subtle bragging, there's a reason for it. Basically, I'd like you to understand a number of things. Firstly, your hasty conclusion is off since I have experienced a moderate chunk of what online dating has to offer. Secondly, you do not get the same results as me. If you want further elaborations on this point. . . feel free to check out some of my LRs. Lastly, I'm very experienced in situations, where a proper understanding of women, and a near complete skillset is required. Situations where you walk up to an attractive stranger, one that you specifically chose, instead of one who chose you. Beguile her and smoothly derail the interaction into a sexual encounter.

                              I've seen both sides of the coin, if you will. . . and I stand by what I said. All online dating offers from a seduction skill set perspective, is how to text and close things out on dates. I'll admit to some conflation and mild provocation, with my earlier "natural progression" statement. But it was not entirely inaccurate.

                              Regardless, the replies that followed from L&R and Sase added extra levels of precision to the initial notion.

                              Something else worth mentioning, if she shows up for the date then the mutual physical connection you talk about is. . . far too close to ensured. Because she already invested enough in the possibility, of this connection that she came to meet up. So as long as you look presentable, avoid making any knee jerk social frame fuck ups, and engage in decent conversation, you'll probably make the connection. And I don't call that game for a number of reasons. . . large amounts of "non-community" guys can do it without much hassle. Game and what the most respected members of the seduction community can pull off, should be held to a higher standard than that. It used to be.

                              What's more is this, having spent the time to get good at cold approach, learning the ins and outs of connecting with girls is a requirement. And the difference in what it takes to reliably create a strong connection with complete strangers you meet IRL is not even close. Seriously.

                              So when you try to weasel online dating in as a particular "form" or "style" of game, I'm not sure whether to laugh or gag.

                              Why even try to legitimize a shortcut? Also, if you really think that approaching attractive strangers is about "temperament" and. . . that wasn't just a lame attempt at reframing / frame control. Then might I suggest you re-evaluate the way you think about the human capacity for learning and growth. Cold approach is just a skill like any other thing. Sure it's more complex and multifaceted than learning how to play tag. But its still just a skill. Btw your poly set up sounds cool, I just prefer having more control over my sex life.

                              I also prefer to completely avoid the risk of becoming dependent on a dating site, or a girlfriend's social circle for getting laid. And when meeting women I prefer my interactions to have large and precise amounts of psychological manipulation. High choice and frequency of new partners. That sort of thing.
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