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    Can someone just delete my account from here? This is an absolute shitshow.

  • #2
    Originally posted by COCPORN View Post
    Can someone just delete my account from here? This is an absolute shitshow.
    have your t levels check dude.... just advice:

    signs of low t:

    High levels of androgens (such as those used by athletes) can increase anger ('roid rage). Most anger problems in men are caused by decreased levels of testosterone.Low testosterone is associated with low libido, loss of erections, irritability anger, fatigue, and low energy.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by COCPORN View Post
      Can someone just delete my account from here? This is an absolute shitshow.
      ???
      This is not your M.O. man, come on

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      • #4
        Can't even handle someone else having a different opinion?!. Weak.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by POB View Post

          ???
          This is not your M.O. man, come on
          Oh, but it is. It hard enough to try to contribute with anything of value.

          If people start running interference with absolutely nothing to give back, I want to end it. An active derail is worse, and this happens.

          Skills360:

          Thank you for the advice. I will look into it but seeing how I have things checked more often than most, I think the advice is underhanded. I am curious: By this comment do you think I will go and actually check my testosterone levels and come back with a different outlook on the time I put into this forum? Because if you are giving me underhanded advice, I suggest you meditate on your motive. Also, as I am actually unsure if you mean this sincerely: Compose yourself and understand that when you say something for people to listen, they might. And your reach might be further than you thought. If you meant to paint me as less manly, you've sort of proven my point by being exactly what is wrong with the forum. And having read a lot of your posts, it is what you tend to do. It is often grandstanding. But I love you because you actually provide a lot of value.

          POB:

          M.O.: I like to give stuff expecting nothing in return. When I get less than nothing in return, I understand that the grass is grey and the water is contaminated. If it happens consistently, I get irritated (again: This might be because of low testosterone levels).

          PS:

          Anyone who wants to participate in my open offer here can email me at my nick @gmail.com.

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          • TheHustler

            TheHustler

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            What is your open offer.

            "I like to give stuff expecting nothing in return. When I get less than nothing in return, I understand that the grass is grey and the water is contaminated. If it happens consistently, I get irritated (again: This might be because of low testosterone levels). "

            I asked you for your pdf and got nothing in return. I see a lot of guys using different tactics who are getting laid that collectively is very useful. You see it as you are the only one who is smart enough to have game and everyone else is too stupid to understand game. From what I have read anyway these are all gamma traits...

          • COCPORN

            COCPORN

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            I am sorry you look at it and me like that.

            I have a lot of PDFs you can have for free. Take them at whatever value you want. Send me a PM, and I will share any and all things that I have ever produced.

            I am not the "only one who is smart enough to have game", and I have never found people, in general, to be stupid. I am curious where you get that view from. I do not consider other people stupid. I mean this: Please let me know where you get this notion from.

            I have shared two things recently that I think might be of value. One is a Tinder stack that I have never seen the likes of. I say this, coming from having written a book on it that allowed me to fuck 10 girls in 2 weeks. This is better. The book, BTW, I shared with this community for free, anyone who wanted it. And I still do.

            The other is an explanation of why game is hard for a lot of people, a slide deck. It is too terse it seems, so I volunteered to talk about this on a video conference. Again, for free.

            Which PDF are you missing, BTW? I didn't mean to ignore you, and if that is how it feels I am sorry.

            Also, regarding different tactics: Most tactics work because guys go from not approaching to approaching. Most tactics make people go from being needy to being screening and/or dominant. It is what we used to refer to as the active component. I don't believe I've ever discussed tactics on this board, so your allegation seems a little unfair to me. Please correct me.

          • TheHustler

            TheHustler

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            Well I am sorry if I am misunderstanding or jumping to conclusions for your motives for getting angry at posters. I did not mean to criticize you. My apologies. It's not personal. Thank you for the pdf's (I will message). I feel you are a great contributor. Too bad you are not coming with us to the new forum.

        • #6

          Skills360:

          Thank you for the advice. I will look into it but seeing how I have things checked more often than most, I think the advice is underhanded. I am curious: By this comment do you think I will go and actually check my testosterone levels and come back with a different outlook on the time I put into this forum? Because if you are giving me underhanded advice, I suggest you meditate on your motive. Also, as I am actually unsure if you mean this sincerely: Compose yourself and understand that when you say something for people to listen, they might. And your reach might be further than you thought. If you meant to paint me as less manly, you've sort of proven my point by being exactly what is wrong with the forum. And having read a lot of your posts, it is what you tend to do. It is often grandstanding. But I love you because you actually provide a lot of value.


          No i like you and we see eye to eye in more than you think.... I even incorporate your advice with great success (getting laid from some of it)....

          But lately you being a bit angry in the writing, i was like that when i was taking maca lol... Then i have been doing research on trt and i know you are around my age, so it was in good faith...Specially when you went off on logic (who for me is the best poster i ever seen)... Anyways man, also you know that the forum is going to close, so i don't get the delete my account stuff.... you have good stuff all over the place..When i address my hormone issues (no trt but something else same outcome) i became a bit calm and less irritable... so it was in good faith.


          p.s. what is an open offer?

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          • Logic&Reason

            Logic&Reason

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            Two or so weeks ago when my posts were very dumb and reactive for a day. . . Maca + exercise routine getting interrupted very early so the energy wasn't burned off. You really gotta watch that stuff. Even when you're trying to be mindful it can take over, it really is a warrior supplement. Not a general's supplement, its for the guy who has to go kill or be killed in the middle of the battlefield. You feel like a fool the next day, modern life rarely calls for that kind of energy.

        • #7
          Originally posted by Skills360 View Post
          No i like you and we see eye to eye in more than you think.... I even incorporate your advice with great success (getting laid from some of it)....

          But lately you being a bit angry in the writing, i was like that when i was taking maca lol... Then i have been doing research on trt and i know you are around my age, so it was in good faith...Specially when you went off on logic (who for me is the best poster i ever seen)... Anyways man, also you know that the forum is going to close, so i don't get the delete my account stuff.... you have good stuff all over the place..When i address my hormone issues (no trt but something else same outcome) i became a bit calm and less irritable... so it was in good faith.
          I have my share of issues. And I am not trying to hide it, I think.

          I was vaguely aware that the forum is closing, and I think it might be for the best.

          I didn't "go off" on L&R (Lay & Report?), I described what I think a sensible way of discourse should be. Or... Maybe I did. I am sorry about that. My response today might be unnecessarily harsh, but I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish. To me it was the same as being a grammar Nazi. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to be learned from the "contribution".

          I think you're cool, and while we have different approaches to most things, I can see the absolute value in what you're sharing. And if I say that I don't feel that most of it doesn't apply to me, it is mostly because I haven't tried it. And that bad is on my end.

          I might come off as overly theoretical, but I am not. I just feel that there is absolutely no reason to write about stuff that isn't tried, tested and re-tested again and again. And if I am unable to give a good formulation of my proposition I will shut up.

          I am not angry in my writing, but it is hard to tell what people feel when looking at letters.

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          • Logic&Reason

            Logic&Reason

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            It wasn't an accurate analogy. The conclusion was drawn from an inaccurate assessment of what happened.

            This conclusion: "Because he was so used to selling, that even if he had already made the sale, he kept doing it" is not what happened.

            I used to sell guitars, we all did what his salesguy did to help out the innocent/naive customers all the time. Some I'd flat out say "the sticker price is there as a starting point, ask me for the lowest price." Because its a young inspired creative person who doesn't know better who's about to lose $150, and the difference in my commission is $2. Creative people got each other's backs.

            Instead of "musicians have each other's backs" he took home "the sucker was conditioned to hurt himself by doing XYZ." That's just not what happened here.

            Dude lost his mind when I pointed this out. What, he can't accept that 20 years ago he was naive and misread something that happened? 20 years ago I made a lot of inaccurate assessments of things too, shouldn't be an ego-blow worthy of that reaction. This is a place to learn and expand awareness and rethink your perspective on many things. But whatever. . didn't think it'd be a whole thing like this.

          • Skills360

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            fuck now i got caught up in this.... Here is what happened intentionally or not....

            The dude was making a point to help posters, and throw in an analogy (correct or incorrect nobody here knows about guitar sales)

            Logic & reason went to point out the inaccuracies of the analogy (but it was not relevant to the teaching point angle)

            Cocporn (who has a history of hating pua and forums) took that as a nitpick (he is right to feel that way)

            But when off (irritable and over reacted)

            skills saw that and pointed out "cocporn you are cool but chill maybe you should look at the cause of over reaction and irritability since i was there and i noticed it was my hormones and maca"


            so group Hugh, all this shit don't matter forum is going to close anyways...

          • Logic&Reason

            Logic&Reason

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            It did matter to his point. Where there was positive “brotherhood” he saw “sucker,” and said it was a significant event that affected his life. That’s something to reflect on.

        • #8
          Originally posted by COCPORN View Post

          Oh, but it is. It hard enough to try to contribute with anything of value.

          If people start running interference with absolutely nothing to give back, I want to end it. An active derail is worse, and this happens.

          POB:

          M.O.: I like to give stuff expecting nothing in return. When I get less than nothing in return, I understand that the grass is grey and the water is contaminated. If it happens consistently, I get irritated (again: This might be because of low testosterone levels).
          Oh, but this happens sometimes.
          Just the nature of this forum I guess, although those events are rare IMO.

          Some guys are just clueless to some points, or cannot get their points across in a good understandable fashion.
          But if you don't crap on them and keep trying to explain what you mean, maybe they'll get it someday, even if they become somewhat rude because of frustration.

          If they don't get it, well, that's their problem, and you just bail.

          No need to delete anything, unless for strong personal reasons.
          Forum is gonna close and turn into archive.

          BTW, I'm still testing your new tinder strategy from time to time, and it works.

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          • Logic&Reason

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            I don’t see where I’ve been rude. The rudensss has been directed at me and I’ve been very even keel.

            I agree the purpose of my point was confusing but hopefully the shortest reply of mine to post above this one clarifies.

        • #9
          COCPORN

          Just popped in, after a long absence.

          Apparently, this forum will close down very soon. I am not surprised***. No reason for getting het up over posts in the last minute. No reason for getting upset anyway.

          When I meet people, online or irl, attention is my way of showing appreciation. Usually I ignore people I find boring, stupid or impolite. Your posts and publications always had my attention and the attention of many other forum members.

          ___
          ***
          I thought this forum was going awry, when two of the frequent posters were banned for kj-ing. One of the guys had been in the community for twenty years, with an archive of all his posts from the old forum still available. By going through his posts from the year dot, it was now »found out« that he had always been a kj and finally should be banned. When I read about this, I knew the forum was at the end. A healthy forum can live with two members whose posts are seen as not being on par with what is desired. This forum was already so weak that two kj were seen as a threat.

          Let’s hope there will soon be new online home for the members of this forum.

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          • #10
            "said it was a significant event that affected his life".

            ​​​​​​Ya kinda ruined his "if you ain't first your last" for him


            ​​​​​https://youtu.be/20iio0wLpPA


            ​​​​

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            • Logic&Reason

              Logic&Reason

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              Yeah true, that explains why he went of on an insult spree and deleted everything.

          • #11
            Tell me once where I insulted anyone. (As in: Tell me how I insulted you.)

            It is funny to no extent that you think the fact you worked with guitars has anything to do with this.

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            • Logic&Reason

              Logic&Reason

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              Things like "I will indulge you if only to highlight your absolute and infinite stupidity" and "God damned retard" are rude to say to people. I'm amazed this has to be pointed out.

              I feel like something's fallen off with you man, you make no sense recently. On top of this whole episode, and the TRE episode, in the How To Succeed post you said: "First post: This is my first post on this board. I have written extensively about this, and if you want the PDFs, I will share, just send me a DM. I am not a commercial player" when you've been posting here since 2012. You say you've been posting intoxicated, maybe its just that.

              In any case, all the best man, this will all be over soon.

            • COCPORN

              COCPORN

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              Hi, L&R!

              I agree that was bad of me, and I apologize. And I really mean that.

              It is not that I needed to have it pointed out, as such, I just didn't remember writing it in that way. I can be heavy-handed when I am aggravated.

              I understand that our endeavors on this forum are not really fruitful, and I also wish you the best.

          • #12
            Originally posted by POB View Post
            (...)
            If they don't get it, well, that's their problem, and you just bail.

            No need to delete anything, unless for strong personal reasons.
            (...)
            We seriously and deeply disagree on this.

            I will not share anything with people who are actively trying to make my efforts less worth.

            (POB: This is not a post to you, this is a post to the community in general.)

            If I could make my presence not be here, I would, including the things I have shared with you in private.

            If I ever took the time to tell someone who in their best interest tried to share with people that what they spent time with was less than it is over a rhetorical technicality knowlingly, I would seriously stop sharing anything at all. This is the absolute lowest kind of garbage because while it looks like good advice and smart, it is stupid and being propagated in a way that people will actually back up.

            Cluelessness should be immediately killed. Anyone who would willingly back someone obviously and blatantly clueless while at the same time being facetious and speaking down is someone I would take the time to delete my posts from. That is what I did, and what I would do again.

            Take my posts and benefit from them. If you think I am in the wrong about this, that's fine. I will not share with you again, not in public nor in private.

            If you think my posts are beneficial; good. If you think my posts are not; OK. I have given this all for free.

            If you think for a second a board that L&R is posting on is a place where I will share anything, you're wrong. The fact that he is doubling down in it is nauseating to me, and I am curious as to what his motivations would be.

            In a post where I focused on something that is detrimental to 80%+ of people on this board's game, I got called out on using a very (very) simple rhetoric device. Not only is it simple and effective, but it is also internally consistent and ultimately true. To the point that making an analogy for it would make him seem like an intellectual toddler.

            The board is closing for a good reason.

            You can tell me I am wrong and with good reason if you attack my main line of reasoning. This is good because: Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps we both become smarter.

            You cannot tell me I am wrong if you attack my rhetoric for the sake of attacking my rhetoric: It makes you look like the retard you are. It is a waste of my time and yours. And I will be pissed for the longest while. If I spel "spell" incorrectly, I have no fucking interest of you making a side thread of it. Are we in kindergarten?

            Anyone with a shoe size over 5 can tell that I was trying to make a point about how people make bad value decisions. If you are unable to see this in a post that is seething with interesting points that most people I know have benefited greatly from; too bad.

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            • Logic&Reason

              Logic&Reason

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              I don't know much about your life at all, just what you said in that story, combined with the tone of your recent posts.

              You took a music salesman doing you a solid as a negative. The sticker price in music stores back then was just a starting point, it was a known thing to always ask "what's the best price" to get the REAL price and then haggle till they also throw in strings/picks/a case/whatever. Often, younger less experienced guys would come in cash in hand like you, without knowing it was a haggle business. When they did this, we'd hook them up anyway. They're young fresh inspired creative people, we didn't need to squeeze them for everything they had, its not a used car lot in NYC or a cold call factory with required minimums, there's a "brotherhood" to musicians.

              You were offered brotherhood vibes, and took them as a negative, as a guy conditioned to keep selling even though he already had the sale. I just wanted to point that out. (I do believe you're also correct that people can oversell or try too hard to please when unnecessary, which is a life-hindering trait. I wasn't trying to discredit your point, I was addressing YOU to the side of your point.)

              Its similar to right now, I was trying to offer you brotherhood vibes, but you took it as a negative and called me a retard. (I agree I didn't make my point very clear to begin with, so I take my share of the responsibility, but retard is extremely hostile man.) Perhaps this is a pattern? Of seeing positives and openness as negatives? I don't know for sure because I don't know you, you'd have to meditate and reflect on it if you choose (perhaps I'm dead wrong), but I thought pointing this out could help you see the world in a more open light and with less hostility. There's a hostility to you that seems unnecessary, and that story kinda hammered home a negative lens through which you perhaps are seeing things.

              Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I dunno. As always, decide whether this perspective holds value to you and then either take it or toss it.

            • COCPORN

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              L&R: I have been here and I have been obnoxious.

              You are telling me a brother did me a solid, and I appreciate it.

              I was not a brother, and this has been haunting me since it happened because it is perplexing to me that a person can be cool. "Cool". Do you kids still use that word?

              Since you are being overly helpful, I am curious as to how you would convey the same thing I wanted to say using other people and/or experiences.

            • Logic&Reason

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              "it is perplexing to me that a person can be cool."

              That's the heart of what I was pointing out. I go around being cool to everyone, expecting cool in return, and get hooked up with free shit all the time. Your perspective is coloring your life and interactions, you could be receiving "cool" vibes and hookups all the time. I'm likely older than you btw.

              I don't have another example for you of overselling. I get "oversold" to all the time because I come off cool in person and give value everywhere I go, and people like to do nice things for people who are in a good mood, come off cool, and who give value. I don't despise people for it, I appreciate my free guacamole and chips, the free alignment thrown into the tire change, the extra nug of weed, skipping the line at the club, the free drink at the bar. I make people feel cool, feel "brother" vibes, and they hook me up in return regularly. Social karma is real, for sure.

              Just two days ago I was walking a grocery store shopping cart back, and grabbed a girl's cart on the walk because it made no difference to me and I give out good vibes. On the way back she handed me a banana and we had a laugh. Just a micro-cosm of "people are cool and hook each other up" attitudes.

          • #13
            Originally posted by COCPORN View Post
            We seriously and deeply disagree on this.

            I will not share anything with people who are actively trying to make my efforts less worth.
            You realize that this is out of your control, don't you?
            As I said, you cannot tell exactly if it's really this...or if the other side is just clueless or poorly making it's points.

            I try to see the positive in everything...even hard cases or stubborn dudes.
            Because sometimes I might be one of them, depending on the subject.
            If I have some time to spare, I'll try to explain again.
            If not, I'll politely excuse myself and let it be.

            I strongly believe a lot of the negativity that comes from this place ir born out of frustration.
            Frustration is a powerful motivator, but also a big pain in the ass that narrows our view of the world.

            This is why I try not to delete my posts (happened once or twice, I'm not perfect).
            But to look at them from a different perspective is really refreshing after you gained the necessary knowledge.

            But I get your reasons...my take is you're a cool dude...L&R is also cool...well, no need to hold hands...forum going to nowhere land and dying anyway....

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            • #14
              Originally posted by POB View Post
              You realize that this is out of your control, don't you?
              As I said, you cannot tell exactly if it's really this...or if the other side is just clueless or poorly making it's points.
              How is this outside of my control?

              I will not share anything anymore.

              If you think my abilities to make people wallow in stupidity is somehow hampered, you are wrong. They will, and it will persist. This is why I usually share in tiny, tiny circles. And you actually broke your promise to me by openly talking about a theory we were testing.

              I do not understand your point. I gave you something and you broke my trust.

              Oh. It is out of my control because I cannot trust you.

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              • #15
                Originally posted by COCPORN View Post

                How is this outside of my control?

                I will not share anything anymore.

                If you think my abilities to make people wallow in stupidity is somehow hampered, you are wrong. They will, and it will persist. This is why I usually share in tiny, tiny circles. And you actually broke your promise to me by openly talking about a theory we were testing.

                I do not understand your point. I gave you something and you broke my trust.

                Oh. It is out of my control because I cannot trust you.
                no i asked pob for your tinder "secrets" in pm, he did not break the promise, he told me to contact you.....

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