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    Not sure if this is misposted (might belong in lifestyle?) or not but anyone else have experience with this drug?

    I've always had trouble focusing in school, i mean i've made it work for me, but its very hard to keep my attention focused on one thing. My bro was recently diagnosed with ADHD and they prescribed him this drug. They also said that chances are if you have it, your siblings do as well.

    I took one from him this morning before school, and noticed a huge increase in my focus. I wasn't even trying to focus on the work in class, it was just so freaking easy!

    On to the PU Aspect:

    I don't really have a ton of approach anxiety in general, but i still do get it at least once a day. On this drug.. that was completely gone.

    Anyone else have similar experiences? I don't really want a crutch or anything like that but the improvement in focus (schoolwise) is gigantic.

  • #2
    I'm not sure how fruitful this thread will be, given that Adderall needs to be prescribed and is therefore not available to most of us right?

    Nick

    I'd definitely be interested in a legal alternative. Mostly for study-reasons.

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    • #3
      Stay away from this shit.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by NiccoloDaVinci View Post
        Mostly for study-reasons.
        Enough caffeine to be more alert and focused, not too much or risk getting too energetic

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dude909 View Post
          Stay away from this shit.
          Is there a reason for you saying this?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bullseye View Post
            My bro was recently diagnosed with ADHD and they prescribed him this drug.
            (Disclaimer: I am not a doctor nor psychologist, and have no knowledge in this area other than a layman.)

            I mentioned this in one of Lovergirl's gigantic threads about her son. I call bullshit on at least 80% of this ADD and ADHD stuff.

            My son was diagnosed by multiple doctors with "extreme" ADHD yet I "cured" him of all symptoms of this "condition" or "disease" or whatever within 12 months, using zero drugs. That tells me he was misdiagnosed and didn't have ADHD at all. I have seen many simliar cases of people "curing" their ADD or ADHD or simply growing out of it. This all screams like more medical community and big pharma bullshit to me.

            YES, some people have more hyper personalities than others. YES, some people have more trouble focusing than others. That does not mean (in my pure laymen's opinion) that you have some kind of "disease" or "condition" that you must take drugs to address. It means you must take charge of your life and work to strengthen the weaknesses in your personality, body, and shitty genetics, just like we all do.

            I was born with a really shitty metabolism that makes me chubby on the same exact diet another guy would be skinny and gorgeous with. Does that mean I have a "disease" or "condition" that I should go get "diagnosed"? One for which I should take some fucked-up, possibly addictive drug for the rest of my life?

            Or should I just man-up, watch what I eat, and lose weight?

            See my point?

            The millions of people taking these damn drugs to address some phantom disease that (I believe) doesn't even exist 80% of the time...it makes me sick.
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            • #7
              I know psychology PHDs who would agree with your opinion, BD. ADHD / ADD is just a watering down of the definition of "illness" to something that had been completely normal for centuries.


              It's all driven by the interests of the pharmaceutical industry, if you ask me.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Blackdragon View Post
                I "cured" him of all symptoms of this "condition" or "disease" or whatever within 12 months, using zero drugs.
                Out of interest, how?

                (I struggle with similar 'symptoms')

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tryhard View Post
                  Out of interest, how?

                  (I struggle with similar 'symptoms')
                  It would take several pages for me to answer that completely. It's more an issue of parenting than with self-help. He was six years old at the time. They key items where:

                  - Whenever he started screaming or crying or throwing a fit, which he did constantly pre-me, I would calmly place him on a chair facing the corner of a room where no other people were, set the timer for six minutes, and told him he could get off when the timer was up. If he made any noise while sitting on the chair, I restarted the timer. I did this with no conversation. The removal of attention worked wonders, just like with soft nexting. Prior to this his mother was doing shit the doctors recommended, like rewarding him with M&Ms or gold stars, or having him take drugs. None of that shit worked. Like all single mothers she also screamed at him, argued with him, and slapped him too. Needless to say that didn't work either. (As a matter of fact, one of the conditions of the marriage was that she was no longer allowed to physically hit him if he became my son. She hated agreeing to that, but she did.)

                  - Again, using a timer, I taught him to focus on tasks in 10 minute spurts. Set the timer, work hard and focused for just 10 minutes. After the timer goes off, you can fuck around and play for bit bit. Then we'll do another 10 minutes. This is very similar to the time management techniques I teach business people during my day job.

                  - Drilled into his head the concept that playing is important (we played together constantly) but work comes first. First you work, even if just for a little while, then you play, not the other way around.

                  - I was unwavering in everything I said and everything I threatened. If he lost his Nintendo for 48 hours, he lost it it for 48 hours. I didn't change my mind and give it back to him in 12 hours if he "had a good day" which is what his mother did routinely. Her doing that taught him that nothing was consistent and that results were random. I taught him consistency, predictably, focus, and cause and effect.

                  Before he moved in with me, he was regularly throwing tantrums and damaging property at home and at school on a regular basis. It was real problem for his mother and his teachers. Within six months of moving in with me, 80% of this vanished. Within a year 100% of this vanished. Today he's in his twenties, a sharp, intelligent, focused, happy guy in college living a good life with a bright future and getting great grades, and avoids drugs and alcohol (so far anyway). He also has had the same GF for three years now (not that I hold that against him ). I couldn't be more proud.

                  I will say that turning around my son damaged my marriage. My wife at the time hated watching me set clear boundaries and punish "her" child, even though she admitted it was the best thing for him, and she gave me piles of drama about it constantly. It was one of the factors that lead to our eventual divorce years later. As is so often the case in traditional monogamous marriage, sometimes you need to chose between the well being of your children and the well being of your marriage. I chose my children, wisely, in my view.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bullseye View Post
                    On to the PU Aspect:

                    I don't really have a ton of approach anxiety in general, but i still do get it at least once a day. On this drug.. that was completely gone.

                    Anyone else have similar experiences? I don't really want a crutch or anything like that but the improvement in focus (schoolwise) is gigantic.
                    Very quickly, ADD is not a negative condition, it's a GIFT.

                    Here's a great book that covers it further
                    http://www.amazon.com/The-Gift-Adult.../dp/1572245654

                    Having ADD and going on stimulant medication can be nuclear potency..
                    For productivity, sex-drive, pickup, euphoria, etc.. That is assuming you don't suffer side-effects.

                    With all that said, I don't like Adderall- Ask your doctor to switch you to Dexedrine.. less grind, more good emotions..
                    Everyone I know who has tried both feels the same way.

                    And the bottom line, if you're playing the school game- all your classmates, with ADD or not, are using it to get ahead..

                    It's a brave new world.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blackdragon View Post
                      I mentioned this in one of Lovergirl's gigantic threads about her son. I call bullshit on at least 80% of this ADD and ADHD stuff.
                      I agree with Blackdragon. From a different perspective, I am actually diagnosed with ADD and have been since 5th or 6th grade. I believe probably OVER 80% of the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD are not real. In my case, I don't believe it is real. It's mostly poor habits and conditioning, in my personal opinion. Such personality disorders were not prevalent centuries ago, but in a society like today's where you're bombarded with instant gratification and dazzling distractions, you're bound to form bad concentration habits, especially the younger generations (like myself).

                      I was also diagnosed with insomnia, which I also think is a bullshit diagnosis (for myself, not necessarily for others).

                      Not really sure how BD got his son through that in 12 months, that's a short time span, well done.

                      It took me a long time to break through such hinderances. I was on sleeping medications for 5 or 6 years and I got off of them a little over a year ago, permanently.

                      In the past few years is when I've broken past my ADD tendencies. Throughout high school, I failed so many classes it was ridiculous, I couldn't really do well and my teachers and family were worried about it, but that's resolved now. Just readjusted a lot of things, and I am currently majoring in a difficult hard science in college and studying much longer periods of time than I ever thought I could. (Average 6 to 8 hours a day when there aren't exams nearby) It all comes down to habits in my opinion.

                      I mainly correctly my study habits largely this past summer, when taking an upper level honors math course and not relying on a tutor for the first time. (I had failed the previous two math courses I took the first time and they were much easier courses) I studied more than I ever had and it was interesting to see myself do so well when people in the class were struggling and failing while putting in so much time. I had never considered myself somebody who is good at math, but I think that was mainly due to bad study habits and a self-image related to doing poorly in mathematics and academics.




                      @Bullseye: Adderall will definitely help your concentration. I've never experimented with it for pick up, but I have taken it for school and felt incredibly social after wards. Maybe try seeing a psychiatrist about your perceived disorder? I was prescribed to adderall inconsistently for a long time now. I just have some in stock (out of it now, actually) for exams. Personally, I'd say just try adjusting your study habits gradually. Usually very simple and small adjustments will go a long way.

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                      • #12
                        In my ADD case, which used to be very heavy back in the days, I got medicated on Ritalin, and concerta. Both are amphetamine based central stimulants. I know many people has success with those pills, however when I took them I felt so soulless, i felt empty like a robot. My personality traits kind of disappeared. So I stopped immediately and tried another pill called Straterra, which is not based on amph's and doesn't change your personality as methylphenidate does. However this pill gave me liver problems so I had to stop it. So I stop with pills completely when I was 16, and I am glad I did. I take Ritalin during my exam period as I don't care if I have a personality or not in that scenario.

                        So, my cure against ADD is:
                        - Eat healthy
                        - Work out - physical exercises
                        - Get enough sleep
                        - Do stuff you like
                        - Figure ut how you learn best, because usual pedagogic strategies that are used in schools will not work for you.
                        - Eat omega 3... shit that is like a drug!

                        Not rocket science... even people without ADD should do the following...

                        And I am high energy, can't concentrate for jack shit, but I don't have any problems at school. The main problem with ADHD/ADD people is that they are stupid and therefore won't succeed. However, smart (or smarter) people will ADHD/ADD will succeed. The reason being is that ADHD/ADD also have some pros and not only cons. I therefore don't view it as a disease... just a personality trait.

                        Ritalin in the field: NO! is just makes me a dead ass beta man with no ball and no creativity.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bullseye View Post
                          Not sure if this is misposted (might belong in lifestyle?) or not but anyone else have experience with this drug?

                          I've always had trouble focusing in school, i mean i've made it work for me, but its very hard to keep my attention focused on one thing. My bro was recently diagnosed with ADHD and they prescribed him this drug. They also said that chances are if you have it, your siblings do as well.

                          I took one from him this morning before school, and noticed a huge increase in my focus. I wasn't even trying to focus on the work in class, it was just so freaking easy!

                          On to the PU Aspect:

                          I don't really have a ton of approach anxiety in general, but i still do get it at least once a day. On this drug.. that was completely gone.

                          Anyone else have similar experiences? I don't really want a crutch or anything like that but the improvement in focus (schoolwise) is gigantic.
                          I think if you can't focus in school, chances are the subject or the method that is taught in school can't help to keep your attention, perhaps they are boring to you, and you automatically feel the want to eject. This happens to me now in the university, and even in high school. In some subjects such as natural science, I can't really focus. Heavy and thick concepts from Chemistry or Physics have a hard time to penetrate my mind, while subjects like History, Languages, Philosophy (Eastern Philosophy) and Literature naturally hold my focus for a very long time.

                          Mathematics is a good example of wrong teaching methodology can lead me to depression and failure. I originally like the subject, the only subject in natural science family that hold my interest. But then the teaching method in my country is fucking "awesome" that it turns me from a guy who ask for demonstration of the so-called "law" into a dumbass who only know to solve a problem in their preferred method. There was also my fault and laziness, but the result was I lost all my basics and dropped it altogether. Very sad!

                          That being said, you can try to meditate, begin with very simple technique called breath meditation, go to Illuminatus website and check it out, he will give you very succint descriptions of how your mind is constantly unrest. You have much interest in Buddhism, dabbling around the Pali Canon for description of meditation doesn't hurt. Meditating regularly have helped me to observe my mind and emotions without needing drugs.

                          If you want to take drugs, please find someone that has profound knowledge in this field to help you out. I intended to buy some MDMA to see how is it like, but didn't dare to since in China, chemicals are deadly.

                          Going to schools nowadays can be really daunting for every person, since they tend to mix a bunch of kids with different personalities and social background together, and that creates quite many troubles. I have met self-learned student before without uni degrees and these guys seem to be much better in both focus ability and critical thinking. In a way, schools and unis are just guru worship anyway.

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                          • #14
                            I am going to recommend something that I have never heard anyone in the community ever talk about: Kava (also known as kava-kava)

                            I was diagnosed with ADD when I was in 1st grade. At this point, I still have trouble focusing, but it has gotten better by changing my behavior. However, Kava has been one of the biggest difference makers in my life. It does the same thing that any of the ADD meds do (curbs anxiety, improves focus) without the stimulation. Plus, it's all natural (assuming you buy from the right sources), legal, non-addictive, and you don't need a fucking doctor to get it. Believe me, big pharma does not want any of you to know this stuff exists, just like they don't want marijuana legalized. They want you to keep buying their drugs.

                            Look into Kava (google it). For curbing anxiety and better focus, I haven't found anything out there that works better.

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                            • #15
                              In my country, Kava is not legal because of all it's side effects such as liver disease and blood circulation problems...

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