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  • #16
    The fact that people got defensive here further demonstrates the point. The forum is not supposed to be about ego validation, its supposed to be about becoming a better man and therefore reducing the need for ego validation. I deliberately didnt call out anyone in particular because the post wasnt an attack. It was what I think would make the forum better and benefit the people who are trying to improve.

    Im sure there were good intentions in starting this new forum and leaving ASF. But its turned into a cyber circle jerk where we brag and give props on threads that often dont benefit other people learning.

    In particular, the fantasy pick up league is a fucking joke. There is literally no value in that and only promotes low quality lays and ego-validation. It degrades dating and sex to something like World Of Warcraft. Anyone who participates clearly has inner game work to do.

    Im sure everyone will tell me to fuck off after this thread and find another forum. But the fact is the ASF forum no longer exists partly because of this forums creation. If our goal is to help guys become better with women, I think the starting point is to commit to being honest and as objective as possible about what actually happened in the pick up.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Spiceboy View Post
      The fact that people got defensive here further demonstrates the point. The forum is not supposed to be about ego validation, its supposed to be about becoming a better man and therefore reducing the need for ego validation. I deliberately didnt call out anyone in particular because the post wasnt an attack. It was what I think would make the forum better and benefit the people who are trying to improve.

      Im sure there were good intentions in starting this new forum and leaving ASF. But its turned into a cyber circle jerk where we brag and give props on threads that often dont benefit other people learning.

      In particular, the fantasy pick up league is a fucking joke. There is literally no value in that and only promotes low quality lays and ego-validation. It degrades dating and sex to something like World Of Warcraft. Anyone who participates clearly has inner game work to do.

      Im sure everyone will tell me to fuck off after this thread and find another forum. But the fact is the ASF forum no longer exists partly because of this forums creation. If our goal is to help guys become better with women, I think the starting point is to commit to being honest and as objective as possible about what actually happened in the pick up.
      Meh, none of this is related to your initial post.

      Fact is that there is no universal standard for beauty because beauty is subjective by definition.

      As for your earlier example, I have a pretty good idea whom you are refering to and yes, that dude's slightly delusional.

      But, you should be focusing on inner game and outer techniques, not worry your head about the fact that some people post Lay Reports about HB6s and HB7s.

      Nick

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      • #18
        Here is my functional assessment: if a guy writes up a report about a woman he considers a 6, then later writes up one for his 9, then there is value there in terms of feedback, since he is likely overcoming internal resistance to approachong and laying the 9 that he probably doesn't with the 6. So I prefer that guys indicate hotness to their own standards, in order to assess the internal elements of his game. If his 9 is my 7, it doesn't matter in terms of advising and feedback. In fact, I kind of assume this a lot of the time.

        One other factor is what she looks like naked in the morning vs. all dolled up in the evening. THAT is where things start getting more "objective".

        One case where I'm pretty sure about congruence is with Chris of GLL. Homie is pulling my personal 7's, 8's and probably (see naked note above) higher in those videos.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Spiceboy View Post
          Almost every single time Ive seen a picture posted of a girl that someone in the community laid, Im shocked by how unattractive she is.
          Originally posted by NiccoloDaVinci View Post
          As for your earlier example, I have a pretty good idea whom you are refering to and yes, that dude's slightly delusional.
          I have not seen ONE picture of a chick someone fucked posted here.

          But maybe there has been such a picture posted, or (dear god), TWO, and I missed it (them). Still, is there a need to make a thread about it? FFS. Seriously.

          I don't care if Nick's ball-gag Professor was a 3 or a 9. That LR was fucking inspirational for an entire generation of seducers around the earth and beyond.

          PS: I believe guys often write quite frankly about the hotness of the chicks they fuck. You rarely see guys saying "that chick was a SHB10 straight from the cakewalk". In fact I even wrote one or two LRs about ugly(ish) chicks I fucked. Guess what? They are not easier or harder to fuck than the hot ones. I wrote the reports because I thought it was tight game and useful reading for newbs.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bad Boyfriend View Post
            If his 9 is my 7, it doesn't matter in terms of advising and feedback.
            +1, and it's not useful for newbs reading the report and trying to get something out of it. Which is why I have never rated a chick in my LRs. This isn't useful for anyone.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Dude909 View Post
              +1, and it's not useful for newbs reading the report and trying to get something out of it. Which is why I have never rated a chick in my LRs. This isn't useful for anyone.
              You missed my point entirely.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bad Boyfriend View Post
                You missed my point entirely.
                Haha, I know. But that half sentence of yours made MY point precisely! Hey since Fox News and John Stewart do it, it means it's allowed.

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                • #23
                  I've always advocated an objective sort of scale, something like this:

                  1-2: Warpig. Unfuckable by anyone not on drugs.
                  3-4: UG. Consisting of: morbid obesity, AND other physical flaws such as bad teeth, birth defects etc.as
                  5: Low Normal: Might be overweight (less than 50lbs), but has a cute face, or might have a good body, but otherwise unremarkable face or h flaws such as acne.
                  6: Mostly Height-weight proportionate, no flaws, not particularly attractive. Example would be 35 year old soccer mom type.
                  7: HWP. Has at least one good attribute, such as nice tits, nice hair, good skin, nice eyes, nice ass, but overall not much different from a 6.
                  8: Toned, in-shape body. Good skin/hair. Face "cute"/attractive. Example would be a typical college cheerleader.
                  9: Playboy Playmate of the Month/Maxim girl. Tight, perfect body, nice tits, ass, no flaws, face classically beautiful.
                  10: SHB. Supermodel. Miss Universe. Miss USA.

                  I agree somewhat with the OP: you're going to post a LR, it's worth using something more objective analysis. I mean, if she is an average chick, who couldn't qualify for a univeristy cheerleading squad, then she's probably a 6 or 7. If she looks like a fucking porn star, then she's probably a 9. By this scale, my wife was an 8 (close to a 9, but not quite) in her 20s, now is about a 7. Best I've ever done is an 8.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JetSetJim View Post
                    I've always advocated an objective sort of scale, something like this:

                    1-2: Warpig. Unfuckable by anyone not on drugs.
                    3-4: UG. Consisting of: morbid obesity, AND other physical flaws such as bad teeth, birth defects etc.as
                    5: Low Normal: Might be overweight (less than 50lbs), but has a cute face, or might have a good body, but otherwise unremarkable face or h flaws such as acne.
                    6: Mostly Height-weight proportionate, no flaws, not particularly attractive. Example would be 35 year old soccer mom type.
                    7: HWP. Has at least one good attribute, such as nice tits, nice hair, good skin, nice eyes, nice ass, but overall not much different from a 6.
                    8: Toned, in-shape body. Good skin/hair. Face "cute"/attractive. Example would be a typical college cheerleader.
                    9: Playboy Playmate of the Month/Maxim girl. Tight, perfect body, nice tits, ass, no flaws, face classically beautiful.
                    10: SHB. Supermodel. Miss Universe. Miss USA.
                    It would be great if we could use this, but in practice, it doesn't work, because only a small proportion of real life chicks actually fall into these categories. For example, from the top of my head I can think of these girls I've recently fucked:
                    - super cute and sexy doll face, huge tits, but quite big nose and >10 pounds overweight;
                    - model-type body, with cute but somewhat bland face;
                    - almost perfect, classical beauty face, hair and style, slim waist, but flat ass, thick calves and geeky posture.

                    How do you rate those chicks? It's impossible without introducing an objective component. Even I can't put a grade on them. Every time I look at my chicks spreadsheet, I feel like changing the grades. Actually there is not a single chick on that list for whom I can put a definitive grade and never change it. So imagine if ten guys were supposed to rate the chicks. Simply impossible to reach a consensus.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Spiceboy View Post
                      But the fact is the ASF forum no longer exists partly because of this forums creation.
                      Um...what?

                      So...Gambler and AFC Adam purposely shut off the mASF because...we made this new forum? Really?
                      How to have 3 hour meet-to-lays and nonmonogamous relationships with any type of woman:
                      The Blackdragon Blog

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Blackdragon View Post
                        Um...what?

                        So...Gambler and AFC Adam purposely shut off the mASF because...we made this new forum? Really?
                        Barely a year in and the revisionism kicks in!

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                        • #27
                          ^The only difference between the girls 6+ in that scale is makeup and photoshop. See this. I agree with whoever said that it's not about how beautiful a girl is. It's about how beautiful she feels. A 6 will act like a 10 if she's dolled up and been hit on all night at the bar. A 10 will act like a 5 if her 3-year boyfriend just broke up with her.

                          The key should be calibration and reacting to how she feels-- not how she looks. I'd love to see what you guys look for when calibrating (and how to react).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Scorpio
                            Examples of looks scale stated below...
                            Doesn't work.

                            Your 6 > your 7 to me.
                            Your 9 > your 10 to me.

                            Looks will always be subjective when categorized into such close tiers.

                            I don't really see anything wrong with people rating the girls the way they see them. Who cares?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Spiceboy View Post
                              The fact that people got defensive here further demonstrates the point. The forum is not supposed to be about ego validation, its supposed to be about becoming a better man and therefore reducing the need for ego validation. I deliberately didnt call out anyone in particular because the post wasnt an attack. It was what I think would make the forum better and benefit the people who are trying to improve.

                              Im sure there were good intentions in starting this new forum and leaving ASF. But its turned into a cyber circle jerk where we brag and give props on threads that often dont benefit other people learning.

                              In particular, the fantasy pick up league is a fucking joke. There is literally no value in that and only promotes low quality lays and ego-validation. It degrades dating and sex to something like World Of Warcraft. Anyone who participates clearly has inner game work to do.

                              Im sure everyone will tell me to fuck off after this thread and find another forum. But the fact is the ASF forum no longer exists partly because of this forums creation. If our goal is to help guys become better with women, I think the starting point is to commit to being honest and as objective as possible about what actually happened in the pick up.
                              Seems like you have inner game issues as you care so much. Personally, I think this thread was made only with the purpose of releasing some anger.

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                              • #30
                                Let's talk about objectivity...

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                                ..... 200 years has gone....

                                Spiceboy has finally figured out what thing(s) are in-itself (ding an sich)...

                                He is very proud of you...

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