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    I just put up another podcast here:

    http://blackdragonblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/another-new-podcast-ready-how-to-have-a-successful-first-date/


    It's on first date techniques. I walk though how I do a typical successful (i.e. meet-to-lay in four hours or less) first date.

    I'm cranking these out fast because I wanted to get them done before I left for L.A. to do the next BD retreat.

    Enjoy!
    How to have 3 hour meet-to-lays and nonmonogamous relationships with any type of woman:
    The Blackdragon Blog

  • #2
    Excellent podcast. I thought it was very well done and had some interesting ideas. Thanks for sharing.


    -NYPG

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    • #3
      Good stuff as usual BD, but... Way too long intro. Your regulars know the value of your stuff so they will go through the xxx minutes of intro before getting to the main course. The problem is that this isn't made for your regulars, it's not advanced advanced stuff (it's great, but it's 101). This podcast is of greatest value to newbs, and those guys may not know you and might not be patient enough to listen to the intro.

      Next time I would put the marketing stuff at the end, or possibly as a brief mention right in the middle. And the fake voices... not that funny. One minute would have been more than enough for me.

      By the way there are tools out there (I think Vimeo has it) which allow you to know when each viewer of your videos has ended the viewing. Surely there is some similar stuff for audio files.

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      • #4
        Hey BD.

        Just started listening. A technical issue... Last two podcasts, the first time I try to download them I only get a few minutes. Second time I get a lot more. This one looks like 42 minutes now, but the first time it was just 7... Maybe it's my computer's problem, so just a heads up in case there's anything you can do.

        I'll let you know what I think about the podcast a bit later...

        Kaktus.

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        • #5
          Pretty good. I think it grounds the basics well enough.

          I understand that you aim to get laid by the second date. That makes sense when you're meeting women off the internet and you haven't even met face to face before.
          Otherwise if you're meeting women in real life first and doing the "first date stuff" at the place you meet them (bar/club/party) and sex isn't likely going to be happening after that location for whatever reason, then any second hook up should be a brief diversion before taking them to the sex location -- therefore effectively getting laid on the "first date"

          .... it's all a technicality anyway, and I'm splitting hairs.

          The advanced shit on first dates comes from dodging questions that women start fielding in regards to your own sex life... because that's as perilous as fuck, and as a dude you can really end up revealing too much... but you can't exactly dodge the questions either, so you have to be honest and do it in such a way as to hint that you get laid a lot (implied social proof), don't want to kiss and tell (show discretion with what you're going to be doing with her), and let her know that all your relationships have been fantastic without exception -- they only just happened to end when distance separated and either you or her wanted to move on with their lives in different directions (I have some experience with this happening). Also you want to suggest that you are part of the "secret society" and that fucking you comes with no strings attached, no judgment, and no negative issues (speeds things up very quickly to sex if done right)

          That part is a bloody tight-rope-walk at the best of times, but advanced stuff.
          I tend to like Johnny Sopornos "seductive reasoning" which can help a guy get his head straight if he ever has to deal with a women who are having hangups, or with a woman who is too prying.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dude909 View Post
            Good stuff as usual BD, but... Way too long intro. Your regulars know the value of your stuff so they will go through the xxx minutes of intro before getting to the main course. The problem is that this isn't made for your regulars, it's not advanced advanced stuff (it's great, but it's 101). This podcast is of greatest value to newbs, and those guys may not know you and might not be patient enough to listen to the intro.

            Next time I would put the marketing stuff at the end, or possibly as a brief mention right in the middle. And the fake voices... not that funny. One minute would have been more than enough for me.

            By the way there are tools out there (I think Vimeo has it) which allow you to know when each viewer of your videos has ended the viewing. Surely there is some similar stuff for audio files.
            I haven't heard it yet but I agree with this comment. Here are similar podcasts I've enjoyed:

            - old Brent smith, pre Brent's YouTube era - not much structure, virtually no marketing of his paid-for products

            - Tariq Nasheed - as a public speaker, he's fantastic. Intro WAY too long IMO, especially for newbies. Too much racial politics for my tastes, but it is certainly a very useful and interesting topic. I prefer more of his game advice than the political stuff but that's personal preference.

            - player supreme - best for game advice IMO and the best pure radio voice in this genre. Gets angry quite a bit tho lol and not sure if he's still doing the show or not

            - pickup podcast - perfect balance of marketing vs content. Also the best interviewee lineup in the genre, by far (I'm a distant second IMO)

            - Barry Kirkey - if you like a cruder and less intelligent version of the kind of humor in Dumb and Dumber then Barry's your guy. Lovers of the troll site PUA Hate will think Barry's the cat's ass. Not to be taken seriously for content or product information

            - a brief commercial in the middle I think is a brilliant suggestion and I'm gonna try it and see what you guys think. I suggest entering the commercial break with an Open Loop - let me know if anyone needs elaboration on this point

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Neo-Rio View Post

              The advanced shit on first dates comes from dodging questions that women start fielding in regards to your own sex life... because that's as perilous as fuck, and as a dude you can really end up revealing too much... but you can't exactly dodge the questions either, so you have to be honest and do it in such a way as to hint that you get laid a lot (implied social proof), don't want to kiss and tell (show discretion with what you're going to be doing with her), and let her know that all your relationships have been fantastic without exception -- they only just happened to end when distance separated and either you or her wanted to move on with their lives in different directions (I have some experience with this happening). Also you want to suggest that you are part of the "secret society" and that fucking you comes with no strings attached, no judgment, and no negative issues (speeds things up very quickly to sex if done right)
              This is spot on Neo, the ideal frame in my opinion is you're a discreet, secret society member who will give her good feelings and could be monogamous with the right girl. All this I feel is true in my case so I feel congruent with the frame. Whenever she questions me I'll respond that I date a lot as I'm a pretty social person. If she asks about exes I speak highly of them and mention we just weren't compatible, but we're still on good terms, they usually don't pry anymore than that, and I'll take the pause in the convo to turn the questions back on them and their relationships which segues nicely into sex talk.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RevLifestyleDesign View Post
                This is spot on Neo, the ideal frame in my opinion is you're a discreet, secret society member who will give her good feelings and could be monogamous with the right girl. All this I feel is true in my case so I feel congruent with the frame. Whenever she questions me I'll respond that I date a lot as I'm a pretty social person. If she asks about exes I speak highly of them and mention we just weren't compatible, but we're still on good terms, they usually don't pry anymore than that, and I'll take the pause in the convo to turn the questions back on them and their relationships which segues nicely into sex talk.
                Yeah, you have to be careful. See, I wouldn't even insinuate that was was ever "incompatible" with a girl... EVER. If I fucked her, we WERE compatible.... for a time (obviously!). My dick fit in her slot... so something worked! In my reality, women just get tired of certain relationships and move on and I'm totally OK with it and think nothing of it. (unlike the jealous controlling men she may otherwise have met). So then I stand out.

                Now... if I were to suggest to the girl who asked about my relationships that I was totally OK with my past girlfriends coming over to use me for sex and then going on their merry way, and I was non-judgmental of it, and liked that lifestyle... would she be more likely to be OK with using me for sex too, WITHOUT having to worry about me being upset later when she ditches me and wants to marry a provider? You think?

                Wouldn't that also suggest that I get laid a lot (implied social proof)?... and that it wasn't my fault that women like me a lot?
                Would that help me set a non-monogamous frame from the outset?

                Sure... the girl might call "bullshit" and say I'm being arrogant or whatever.... but what if that's ACTUALLY my reality (which it IS), and I'm just being straightforward, and for her to accuse me of bullshit is actually her being really rude?
                My frame would be bulletproof (not faking here), and I'd pass her shit test with flying colours and stamp my name on the frame.

                That's just an example of what's possible. I've had conversations with girls who want to know if I've had threesomes with women and all sorts of kinky shit. You know it when the girl is super keen on crazy stuff, so you'll know how much you want to reveal. So you're there talking about how sex can be embarassing the first time for some girls, and having a sense of humour is paramount, and that it takes some time for inexperienced girls to get good, and you've had to train them... etc etc. MASSIVE implied social proof.

                (actually that particular girl turned out to be a lot of fun. Lucky girl who could have multiple orgasms lasting minutes at a time, and liked being tied down)

                ....still, as a rule of thumb, it's best to shut your fucking pie-hole and say as little as possible. There are some women out there who are very opinionated and are going to insist on men telling them what they want to hear, or providing the illusion she wants to experience anyway.

                Sometimes if you don't know the right answer you can cold-read for the correct answer:-

                She can say:-
                Her: What do you think about guys who do XYZ?

                ..and you don't know which way she swings on the issue, so to play it safe you insinuate some sarcasm...
                You: Well, where do I begin to say anything about that? *roll eyes*
                You: What do you think?

                She gives the correct answer
                Her: I think (something extremely opinionated)

                ...and *phew*.... you're safe!
                You: Yes, well -- you're right about that!

                You never open your mouth until you know what that shot is!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dude909 View Post
                  Good stuff as usual BD, but... Way too long intro.
                  I agree. Other guys have emailed me saying that they liked it but it went on too long. (Though guys from Europe seem to hate it...can't please everyone!) It was about three minutes and it should have been one. I just got lazy in the editing. Much shorter intros from now on.

                  As a side point, doing in-page analytics is beyond my technical ability. It's something I need to figure out. I can tell you that so far, very few people don't listen to the entire podcast (at least based on the numbers I do have), and that goes for all three podcasts I have. (Average time spend at the web site is well over the length of the podcast.)

                  Originally posted by donkaktus View Post
                  Just started listening. A technical issue... Last two podcasts, the first time I try to download them I only get a few minutes. Second time I get a lot more. This one looks like 42 minutes now, but the first time it was just 7... Maybe it's my computer's problem, so just a heads up in case there's anything you can do.
                  No one else has reported a problem like this so I'm going to assume it was your computer unless I hear more guys reporting the same thing.

                  Originally posted by Neo-Rio View Post
                  Otherwise if you're meeting women in real life first and doing the "first date stuff" at the place you meet them (bar/club/party) and sex isn't likely going to be happening after that location for whatever reason, then any second hook up should be a brief diversion before taking them to the sex location -- therefore effectively getting laid on the "first date"
                  Yeah, the "first date" but the "second meet". Or the "day2". Gotta love all the ways you could label it.

                  The advanced shit on first dates comes from dodging questions that women start fielding in regards to your own sex life... because that's as perilous as fuck, and as a dude you can really end up revealing too much... but you can't exactly dodge the questions either, so you have to be honest and do it in such a way as to hint that you get laid a lot (implied social proof), don't want to kiss and tell (show discretion with what you're going to be doing with her), and let her know that all your relationships have been fantastic without exception -- they only just happened to end when distance separated and either you or her wanted to move on with their lives in different directions (I have some experience with this happening). Also you want to suggest that you are part of the "secret society" and that fucking you comes with no strings attached, no judgment, and no negative issues (speeds things up very quickly to sex if done right)

                  That part is a bloody tight-rope-walk at the best of times, but advanced stuff.
                  Agree 100%

                  I tend to like Johnny Sopornos "seductive reasoning" which can help a guy get his head straight if he ever has to deal with a women who are having hangups, or with a woman who is too prying.
                  I like Johnny Soporno a lot and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. Do you have a link to the seductive reasoning stuff?
                  How to have 3 hour meet-to-lays and nonmonogamous relationships with any type of woman:
                  The Blackdragon Blog

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Blackdragon View Post
                    I like Johnny Soporno a lot and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. Do you have a link to the seductive reasoning stuff?
                    Surely, you've seen all 6 of his videos?

                    If not, grab yourself some popcorn, a pen and some paper. You're going to be taking notes!
                    In particular I like how he does his "dates". Essentially he does all 3 dates on the same night, in the funniest and most round-about way!

                    http://www.seductivereasoning.com/

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                    • #11
                      Alright, I listened. Sounds like pretty good advice. And the technical thing could well be my machine.

                      I especially like your tangent about good looking guys with no money. I'm working hard on my finances these days, because that persona is way cooler when you're in your early 20s. After a while, it gets pretty old.

                      As Jay-Z says, "Being broke is childish and I'm quite grown."

                      Thanks man.
                      Kaktus.

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