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  • New here, and not sure where to make my first post (WARNING: Ranty other stuff)

    After doing some reading, I don't think this belongs in the General forum, so maybe "Off Topic" is a better place.

    Someone suggested I check this place out, and either it'll work out or it won't. Worst case scenario is all the big, bad people on here say things that make me cry...making my situation no worse than it's been before.

    So here I go, either you'll love me or hate me:


    I am a dude in case y'all are wondering, and I have an intensely high desire for sex and sexual activities. So I'd think that I can find a woman to provide me sexual relief, while I provide her equal or more amounts of sexual relief, here on InternetLand...yet for all the years I've tried I've had 0 luck.

    I've tried OkCupid, POF, Craigslist and the various other sites and I have gotten nowhere. Hell, even when I'm looking for a real relationship, not a sex-buddy/FWB, I get NOWHERE!

    I'm not sure what is wrong with me or how to fix it! Maybe I'm not an Adonis, but I'm certainly not an ugly bastard either. I'd also like to think most people find me interesting in a good sort of way, though maybe I'm really so boring my brain is creating a hallucination of me being interesting so I don't go crazy...wait, thinking too hard!

    So I'm not sure what I should do. I'm not picky about the women I'd want to have sex with either, I care more about how we get along over how she looks (yes, I mean this) -- and I even have a thing for the curvy/thick/plus-sized/voluptuous/full-figured women over the thin ones the media adores. I'm also open about age -- willing to be with someone close to my age (I'm in mid-20s) or even someone older than me (late-40s early 50s).

    I know posting here won't do a damn thing, but I'm just so frustrated. I also know that Women-on-the-Web get 100-emails/day, so I can understand them being picky. Why would they spend their time with me when there's a badass-mofo who's probably rich, very attractive and better in bed than I am...I just can't compete!

    The only reason why I don't see escorts is because I haven't bought a yacht or a private jet.


    Okay all done, now this is where the fun begins!

  • #2
    Give more details about what your actual interactions with women were, and where they stalled.

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    • #3
      Holy shit! You actually came! I am the redditor who directed you to this site (which, surprise surprise, got me downvoted).

      A few things: You're frustrated. That much is clear. But bitching is a loser habit which, like other loser habits, you should shed. Let this be your final rant on this matter, on this board or on any other. From here on in, commit yourself to improving your lot however you have to.

      Also, like O--- said, a little more detail would help. Do you ever go on dates? Have you ever gotten laid? What's your social circle like? Do you live in a place with many available women? What do you do for fun? How do you dress? What's a typical m/f interaction look like for you? Etc.

      Final thing: are you willing to work to get good at this? Are you willing to put yourself out there, risk your ego, get shot down a bunch of times, and try new things if it means eventually achieving your goal? If you want feedback from the knowledgeable posters of this community, that's what we'll expect from you in exchange.

      I wish you luck. Come back with specifics if you want actionable advice.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
        I'm not sure what is wrong with me or how to fix it! Maybe I'm not an Adonis, but I'm certainly not an ugly bastard either.
        Neither are most of the top players here, by their own account.
        I'd also like to think most people find me interesting in a good sort of way, though maybe I'm really so boring my brain is creating a hallucination of me being interesting so I don't go crazy...wait, thinking too hard!
        Good. Though not necessary. My main girl often tells me I am boring -- five minutes before telling me she couldn't live without me.

        I'm not picky about the women I'd want to have sex with either
        You should. This tells me your self esteem is not high enough, and that's something women pick up on. When interacting with a chick, even the hottest, highest value ones, they should get a sense that they're just barely good enough for you, and that you can get a hotter one any day of the week.

        I also know that Women-on-the-Web get 100-emails/day, so I can understand them being picky.
        They get 95 emails a day from creeps, losers and pretentious douches. You're only actually competing with a handful of guys - if you're her type and your profile is decent, you're in. But you have to remember and apply the three golden rules of online dating:
        - Send a SHITLOAD of openers
        - Have FANTASTIC pictures of yourself
        - Send MORE openers

        Why would they spend their time with me when there's a badass-mofo who's probably rich, very attractive and better in bed than I am...I just can't compete!
        Ridiculous. Stop telling yourself that chicks (even hot ones) have an abundance of hot rich guys that they can get any day of the week. They have an abundance of ugly beta losers supplicating them, is what they have. Why do you think they read advice on dating from Cosmo and shit all day long? Why do they spend so much money on make up and boob jobs? It's because hooking up with quality guys is just as hard, if not harder, for them as hooking up with a quality chick is for us.

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        • #5
          Holy shit! You actually came!
          THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!


          Originally posted by DNYC View Post
          I am the redditor who directed you to this site (which, surprise surprise, got me downvoted).

          A few things: You're frustrated. That much is clear. But bitching is a loser habit which, like other loser habits, you should shed. Let this be your final rant on this matter, on this board or on any other. From here on in, commit yourself to improving your lot however you have to.

          Also, like O--- said, a little more detail would help. Do you ever go on dates? Have you ever gotten laid? What's your social circle like? Do you live in a place with many available women? What do you do for fun? How do you dress? What's a typical m/f interaction look like for you? Etc.

          Final thing: are you willing to work really hard to get good at this? Are you willing to put yourself out there, risk your ego, get shot down a bunch of times, and try new things if it means eventually achieving your goal?

          I wish you luck. Come back with a specific situation to tell us about if you want serious advice.

          Well, you're the only one who responded to my post so I figured I might as well give it a shot. And while bitching might be a "loser habit," you have to admit I can bitch in a most entertaining way....

          About me, yeah, I have gotten laid, the last time was a few years ago and I have gone on dates -- I even had a girlfriend at one point in my life for a few months, though it didn't really go anywhere.
          I know I'm being vague, but I don't want to give my life story on here even if it's the anonymous Internet.

          I have friends, though all we do is hang out and watch a movie or go to a bar/lounge -- I'm not exactly the most social when it comes to new people.
          And to be honest, I have some resentment towards them, though it's got nothing to do with my rant.

          I live in Hudson County, a train ride away from Manhattan, so it's a populated area.

          For fun I do the same things all other introverts do -- meaning I'm not the type to go down to the bar or the club or wherever.

          I dress casual, jeans/khakis and a non-descript shirt, though I bother to iron my clothes, get regular haircuts, trim my fingernails.

          A typical interaction, it depends on where -- if it's in person I can talk to her about anything for hours, and I feel as if I'm funny and smart. Online, I think I can write pretty good emails or do a decent enough job chatting -- same with text messages. On the phone though, I'm usually distracted and there are moments of dead air.

          As for this whole "PUA" thing, I don't know if it's for me. I'm a straightforward, blunt person and it seems more on the side of deception. I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just saying it might not mesh with my personality. It seems successful guys play a game to get things done, and I'd rather be completely open about things...which apparently isn't the way to go about it.

          When I messaged women on OKCupid, POF, CL or wherever, I kept my messages short and humorous just to catch their attention...barely any of them responded, and for those that did there was no response when I asked for a phone number/meetup. Maybe my photos could be better, but it's not like I'm the runt of the litter.

          It seems that everyone is online now, unless I want to approach women out "on the street" like a crazy person -- maybe 1 or 2 might actually like it, lol.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
            THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
            BAAAAAAAAHAHA! Why the hell are you not getting laid? I like you already.

            I know I'm being vague, but I don't want to give my life story on here even if it's the anonymous Internet.
            Don't need your life story. Just the most embarrassing and private parts of the story!

            I have friends, though all we do is hang out and watch a movie or go to a bar/lounge -- I'm not exactly the most social when it comes to new people.
            And to be honest, I have some resentment towards them,
            Resentment toward your social circle, or toward the new people? Both are pretty common for someone in your position.

            I live in Hudson County, a train ride away from Manhattan, so it's a populated area.
            Ok. Being a train ride from the big city is not that big an advantage, logistically. It'll be extra-hard to convince a city girl to get on Metro North and follow you up to Hudson. Focus on your immediate surroundings.

            For fun I do the same things all other introverts do -- meaning I'm not the type to go down to the bar or the club or wherever.
            I gathered. Does that mean you spend lots of time on the computer, playing video games, etc? I hate to break it to you, but you're going to have to cut back on those things and step out of your comfortable bubble, even if it's mortifying at first. I'm not saying you have to run around bars hitting on everyone, but you will have to learn to strike up conversations with random women.

            It's a common misconception that pick-up only happens in bars and clubs. Know where my last pick-up came from? Fucking jury duty. Other places I have picked up include the DMV, the laundromat, the university cafeteria, etc. Think of your field of play as being anywhere women are.

            I dress casual, jeans/khakis and a non-descript shirt, though I bother to iron my clothes, get regular haircuts, trim my fingernails.
            So no major problems there, although it sounds kinda generic. Not the worst thing in the world. Just saying. Anything you'd be willing to do to make yourself stand out a little more?

            A typical interaction, it depends on where -- if it's in person I can talk to her about anything for hours, and I feel as if I'm funny and smart.
            Here's where I'll introduce the concept of escalation. "Hours" is way too long to shoot the shit. You've got to move the interaction forward - toward SEX!!! The mistake most guys make is to act interesting and friendly all night, then lunge in for a kiss or something. Like it's an all-in, one-shot deal. But it's not. Rather than hours-of-chatting-and-then-BAM!, you should make many small moves on her. When you introduce yourself, look into her eyes and hold her hand for an extra second. Ask her to do something small with you, like step outside for some air. Get her number early in the interaction, rather than at the end. Move gradually but purposefully toward seduction rather than being "funny and smart" in the hopes that she'll just throw herself at you. YOU need to make it happen.

            Online, I think I can write pretty good emails or do a decent enough job chatting -- same with text messages. On the phone though, I'm usually distracted and there are moments of dead air.
            If you're determined to do the online thing, this site has a whole board for that. Also check the Hall of Fame for relevant online game posts. Personally I have always favored real-life pickup.
            As for this whole "PUA" thing, I don't know if it's for me. I'm a straightforward, blunt person and it seems more on the side of deception.
            If your only exposure is The Game, and tv's The Pickup Artist, and an army of sexless haters on reddit, I can imagine why you'd see it that way. But it doesn't have to be deceptive.
            I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just saying it might not mesh with my personality
            Again, no one here is going to suggest feather boas or fictional routines. Those are things of the past. Basically we now focus on transitioning from being a likable guy to being a fuckable guy.

            It seems successful guys play a game to get things done, and I'd rather be completely open about things...which apparently isn't the way to go about it.
            Hmmm... a deep thought, and worthy of a thousand years contemplation. I'd say that I play games, but I enjoy the game, and if she does too - which she does - then why not?

            ... unless I want to approach women out "on the street" like a crazy person -- maybe 1 or 2 might actually like it, lol.
            But you can approach on the street like a sane, sociable person. And when you get reeeaaally good at it, you can actually tell which women are open to being approached! I shit you not. And that skill, my friend, is what separates the well-laid guys from the sexless masses. Not private jets and yachts.

            Just takes practice.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DNYC View Post
              Resentment toward your social circle, or toward the new people? Both are pretty common for someone in your position.
              Actually both, though I do like a few people in my life, and my resentment has got nothing to do with my "lack-of-love." Yeah, not getting laid sucks, but I don't think "all women are sluts/whores/bitches" or anything like that. I hang out with my social circle, though it feels superficial. My resentment towards new people is more of a defense mechanism because I don't want to think a person is cool only to realize he/she is a terrible person.
              If I was getting laid, I'd be thinking about vag instead of them though.


              Originally posted by DNYC View Post
              I gathered. Does that mean you spend lots of time on the computer, playing video games, etc? I hate to break it to you, but you're going to have to cut back on those things and step out of your comfortable bubble, even if it's mortifying at first. I'm not saying you have to run around bars hitting on everyone, but you will have to learn to strike up conversations with random women.
              It's not "mortifying" and I think I can make decent enough small-talk, but I feel that it's so damn pointless. Maybe I'm an arrogant fool, but I don't care to yap about the random BS that seems to be part of life.


              Originally posted by DNYC View Post
              Here's where I'll introduce the concept of escalation. "Hours" is way too long to shoot the shit. You've got to move the interaction forward - toward SEX!!! The mistake most guys make is to act interesting and friendly all night, then lunge in for a kiss or something. Like it's an all-in, one-shot deal. But it's not. Rather than hours-of-chatting-and-then-BAM!, you should make many small moves on her. When you introduce yourself, look into her eyes and hold her hand for an extra second. Ask her to do something small with you, like step outside for some air. Get her number early in the interaction, rather than at the end. Move gradually but purposefully toward seduction rather than being "funny and smart" in the hopes that she'll just throw herself at you. YOU need to make it happen.
              You bring up a good point here, I get too caught up in my own words...probably has to do with me being an "arrogant fool."


              Originally posted by DNYC View Post
              If you're determined to do the online thing, this site has a whole board for that. Also check the Hall of Fame for relevant online game posts. Personally I have always favored real-life pickup.
              I might give the real-life thing a shot, at least she'll actually have to take the time to reject me.


              Originally posted by DNYC View Post
              Hmmm... a deep thought, and worthy of a thousand years contemplation. I'd say that I play games, but I enjoy the game, and if she does too - which she does - then why not?
              I guess I don't like "playing games" as they say.


              Originally posted by DNYC View Post
              But you can approach on the street like a sane, sociable person. And when you get reeeaaally good at it, you can actually tell which women are open to being approached! I shit you not. And that skill, my friend, is what separates the well-laid guys from the sexless masses. Not private jets and yachts.


              Just takes practice.
              Well, it's more of me approaching someone and saying, "So how do you feel about the current geopolitical climate/what's the meaning of life," random-ass questions that'll scare them away.

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              • #8
                You sound familiar to me. You remind me of me a bit.

                Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
                And while bitching might be a "loser habit," you have to admit I can bitch in a most entertaining way....
                I believe it. The simple fact that you're here probably means you're smarter or more savvy than others. I'm not just making this up to conflate our egos, but I consider this place to be a bit deeper than the superficial internet and only scientists and geeks explore this far. I wouldn't be surprised if you've used IRC or Usenet before.

                About me, yeah, I have gotten laid, the last time was a few years ago
                Been there... it's not very fun.

                and I have gone on dates
                Stop doing that. It won't get you what you want.

                I know I'm being vague, but I don't want to give my life story on here even if it's the anonymous Internet.
                *sigh* probably a good idea. I may have lost a friend recently for showing her this forum. (*waves hello*)

                I have friends, though all we do is hang out and watch a movie or go to a bar/lounge -- I'm not exactly the most social when it comes to new people.
                ...
                For fun I do the same things all other introverts do -- meaning I'm not the type to go down to the bar or the club or wherever.
                ...
                I dress casual, jeans/khakis and a non-descript shirt, though I bother to iron my clothes, get regular haircuts, trim my fingernails.
                Remember this. As you venture down this rabbit hole, you may become confused about this sort of thing and it's great that you spelled out exactly what you want and enjoy doing now, before any community dogma seeps in, implying you should love going to bars or dress like Teevster every day The idea here is to be who you are and develop self-esteem and self-confidence. Trying to mold into something you think other people want is directly opposed to this endeavor. Got it?

                A typical interaction, it depends on where -- if it's in person I can talk to her about anything for hours, and I feel as if I'm funny and smart. Online, I think I can write pretty good emails or do a decent enough job chatting -- same with text messages. On the phone though, I'm usually distracted and there are moments of dead air.
                Good. You can hold a conversation. Now stop doing it.

                No more phone calls. Period.

                Online, keep things very short, do not compliment, and steer things towards meeting in real life. Same for text messages. Texts are for logistics only. Online is for logistics plus a little bit of rapport building but don't become her pen pal because she WILL be fucking someone else while you convince her you're a great friend to have.

                In person, be yourself. I'm a little torn up on this one at the moment so I'm not sure how open you should be but I can tell you that being cold, indifferent, even a little mean, has gotten me laid but no girlfriends.

                As for this whole "PUA" thing, I don't know if it's for me. I'm a straightforward, blunt person and it seems more on the side of deception.
                I don't think studying pick-up changes who you are. If you're the type of person who wants to manipulate people and lie to them, this community will make you VERY good at it. If you're the type of person who wants to live to his own ideals and have the balls to stand up for himself and hold his ground with honest integrity... this community will make you VERY good at that, too. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about being who you are and having the confidence to represent that accurately. THAT is what is sexy to women. All the "techniques," canned-scripts, etc. are like "training" tools to get your mind thinking a certain way.

                I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just saying it might not mesh with my personality. It seems successful guys play a game to get things done, and I'd rather be completely open about things...which apparently isn't the way to go about it.
                Who told you that? The same people who say if you really believe hard enough you will find your soul mate and live happily ever after?

                When I messaged women on OKCupid, POF, CL or wherever, I kept my messages short and humorous just to catch their attention...barely any of them responded, and for those that did there was no response when I asked for a phone number/meetup. Maybe my photos could be better, but it's not like I'm the runt of the litter.
                Short and humorous good. Two reasons they may not be responding:
                - You didn't give them a reason to. Try asking a question that she hasn't been asked 1,000 times earlier that day.
                - Your pics or profile turned her off. Like your openers, your profile should be short and humorous. Basically you're starting out with an A and everything you say diminishes that.

                It seems that everyone is online now, unless I want to approach women out "on the street" like a crazy person -- maybe 1 or 2 might actually like it, lol.
                You can hide indoors while "crazy" people like me talk to all the women in the street, in the park, in the grocery store, in the laundromat, in the restaurants, coffee shops and car washes. I'm fine with that. But I will tell you much more than 1 or 2 actually like it. And it's a powerful impression because NO ONE does it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
                  Actually both, though I do like a few people in my life, and my resentment has got nothing to do with my "lack-of-love." Yeah, not getting laid sucks, but I don't think "all women are sluts/whores/bitches" or anything like that. I hang out with my social circle, though it feels superficial. My resentment towards new people is more of a defense mechanism because I don't want to think a person is cool only to realize he/she is a terrible person.
                  If I was getting laid, I'd be thinking about vag instead of them though.
                  If you realize these things about yourself and about other people, you are way ahead of the curve. Most people are not at all introspective or self-reflective. The ego just won't allow it. If you can take a good look in the mirror and know what the problems are, you're starting from a great place.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
                    Actually both, though I do like a few people in my life, and my resentment has got nothing to do with my "lack-of-love." Yeah, not getting laid sucks, but I don't think "all women are sluts/whores/bitches" or anything like that. I hang out with my social circle, though it feels superficial. My resentment towards new people is more of a defense mechanism because I don't want to think a person is cool only to realize he/she is a terrible person.
                    If I was getting laid, I'd be thinking about vag instead of them though.
                    Try to perceive people rather than judging them ("cool" vs. "terrible"). Try to experience who they are and focus on the great parts about all the people you meet.

                    Everybody has personality traits that suck. But if you focus on the cool parts in people, that's what is going to come out. And people who bring out the best in others are attractive.


                    It's not "mortifying" and I think I can make decent enough small-talk, but I feel that it's so damn pointless. Maybe I'm an arrogant fool, but I don't care to yap about the random BS that seems to be part of life.
                    As Sgt. G. said. Talk about what you care about.

                    (Just don't bore her with politics too much though... focus on your passions. Might include finding your passions first.)

                    I guess I don't like "playing games" as they say.
                    You equate "playing games" with deceiving her. Deceiving her is a possible route to go, but not necessary.


                    You can "play games" where she is very much complicit.


                    Try to make this "meeting women" thing fun! This should be a great pleasure for both you and her!


                    Well, it's more of me approaching someone and saying, "So how do you feel about the current geopolitical climate/what's the meaning of life," random-ass questions that'll scare them away.
                    You know what, I could actually see that working. If you're not too uptight and serious about it


                    Originally posted by Sgt. Grumbles
                    The idea here is to be who you are and develop self-esteem and self-confidence. Trying to mold into something you think other people want is directly opposed to this endeavor. Got it?
                    This is worth repeating. Also this:

                    Originally posted by Sgt. Grumbles
                    I believe it. The simple fact that you're here probably means you're smarter or more savvy than others. I'm not just making this up to conflate our egos, but I consider this place to be a bit deeper than the superficial internet and only scientists and geeks explore this far.
                    I believe many guys here are above average intelligent people. I know I myself am. That's probably because intelligence can actually be a hindrance to meeting women and getting along with people in general, because high intelligence makes you awkward to many normal people. However, it can also make you more awesome if you use it correctly.



                    I wish you all the best for your journey!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SgtGrumbles View Post
                      You sound familiar to me. You remind me of me a bit.
                      I'm not going to quote-reply to every statement you made, so I'll summarize myself.

                      The truth is that I'm an intense person, and I feel a little embarrassed saying that even though it's the best way to describe myself. As the Hodge Twins would say I go "BALLS DEEP!" into things. I can be eating a bowl of cereal and that's the most important thing to me, and nobody else better get in my damn way. I feel as if everything I'm doing with my life, no matter how mundane it is, must have some sort of purpose.

                      I'm worried about driving most women away with my personality -- they'll probably think I'm a psychopath released from the insane asylum talking about all this deep shit at random instead of mundane things like the weather. At the same time, I FUCKING HATE SMALL TALK! So either I man up and scare the gals away or talk about lame-ass crap until I die of boredom.

                      I don't know why I even bother with online, probably because it requires 0 effort -- guess I reap what I sow.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
                        I'm not going to quote-reply to every statement you made, so I'll summarize myself.

                        The truth is that I'm an intense person, and I feel a little embarrassed saying that even though it's the best way to describe myself. As the Hodge Twins would say I go "BALLS DEEP!" into things. I can be eating a bowl of cereal and that's the most important thing to me, and nobody else better get in my damn way. I feel as if everything I'm doing with my life, no matter how mundane it is, must have some sort of purpose.

                        I'm worried about driving most women away with my personality -- they'll probably think I'm a psychopath released from the insane asylum talking about all this deep shit at random instead of mundane things like the weather. At the same time, I FUCKING HATE SMALL TALK! So either I man up and scare the gals away or talk about lame-ass crap until I die of boredom.

                        I don't know why I even bother with online, probably because it requires 0 effort -- guess I reap what I sow.
                        There are certain things you can do to make your personality more.. personable. But it doesn't make sense for you to "talk about lame-ass crap" because that's incongruent with your personality. So: 1. I don't think you'll do it. and 2. I don't think it will give you the results you want if you do try it. Women (people, really) can smell it a mile away when you're being inauthentic or supplicating to them (but talking about something you don't want to talk about for their benefit).

                        Here's a different perspective on the same thing: Since you do value your time and attention so highly, wouldn't you rather spend it on women who are attracted to it already, rather than try to convince ones who aren't attracted that they are? I'm not saying "pre-select women who are attracted to you because you're not good enough for the others;" I'm saying "recognize that women who aren't into you are NOT attractive." Or maybe they are attractive to you... if you buy that "wants what he can't have" cliche.

                        WHY do you talk to strangers about deep, intense shit at random? What are you gaining from that, anyway?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SgtGrumbles View Post
                          WHY do you talk to strangers about deep, intense shit at random? What are you gaining from that, anyway?

                          I actually don't do this, I'm just saying this is what the conversation would divulge into if I were to approach a women out on the street.
                          Ideally I would say something casual and mundane, if she's reading a book, "Oh you like that kind of book," and if she's receptive soon it would be about a deconstruction of literature or whatever.

                          Of course, that's just a fantasy scenario....
                          I actually don't talk to strangers unless I have to.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ConfusedLoser View Post
                            I actually don't do this, I'm just saying this is what the conversation would divulge into if I were to approach a women out on the street.
                            Ideally I would say something casual and mundane, if she's reading a book, "Oh you like that kind of book," and if she's receptive soon it would be about a deconstruction of literature or whatever.

                            Of course, that's just a fantasy scenario....
                            I actually don't talk to strangers unless I have to.
                            I don't see anything wrong with that. Just work on staying present so you don't get lost in your own monologue. If she's interested, great. If she's not, then why are you talking to her about it?

                            Would you LIKE to talk to more strangers? You don't have to, and if you don't want to, my advice is irrelevant.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SgtGrumbles View Post
                              I don't see anything wrong with that. Just work on staying present so you don't get lost in your own monologue. If she's interested, great. If she's not, then why are you talking to her about it?

                              Would you LIKE to talk to more strangers? You don't have to, and if you don't want to, my advice is irrelevant.

                              Well, I suppose I have to at least try since the online thing hasn't worked for me at all.

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