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  • So here's the text convo last night. A few things to keep in mind when reading:

    - I was trying ijjjji's method/looking for an opening to go over to her house and fuck
    - It was late, I have to work today
    - I don't know how to turn off noises for texts on my iPhone (turning down the sound in settings only turns down the ringer)
    - The girl was going into "chat with girlfriends" mode and I didn't want to be part of that

    So here it is. My thoughts are in [ ]

    She sent her number only on the bumble app and I texted her back:

    Me: Hey [name] it's Sarge from Bumble. Now you have my number

    Her: *replies right away* Hey you

    Me: Hey

    *no response for an hour*

    Her: What's up

    Me: Winding down for the night, u?

    *no response for 45 mins*

    Her: Just heading home, my cousin is in town for the night from Berlin so we went to see him DJ. I'm bushed *tired emoji*

    Me: I'll bet you dance up a storm

    *no response for 30 mins*

    Her: I tried to rally [no idea wtf that means], I was tired when we got there. I very rarely party this much [me rolling my eyes thinking "yeah right". Also worried she wants to impress me meaning I'm getting put on back burner/relationship role], and never the whole weekend like this weekend [again, me roll my eyes. What are the odds I met her on the ONE weekend she just happened to decide to party and break her mold lol. So yeah, I'm worried I'm boyfriend zoned or friend zoned]

    Me: [because she's talking this way and not giving sexy hints or leaving innuendos open, I decide to cut short] I hear you. Speaking of tired tho I'm gonna try and get some sleep

    Her: Yeah me too. Night night

    Me: Night

    So there you have it. My main questions are:

    - How do you get girls to be sexy and adorable with you? Send sexy pictures? Get them into "please him" mode?
    - How to bait them into inviting you over ala ijjjji?
    - How to influence behavior so they stop the "I'm such a good girl" shit without blatantly saying "yeah right, I'll bet you get drunk and fucked all the time"?
    - How to influence her to be a sexy kitten for you and not a prude?

    I've tried Teevster's "I like adventurous girls" line before but that's more of a bridge burner than an influencer IME so I must be doing it wrong. The ideal is to say something that gets her to stop being prudish and unleash the sex freak with a twist of "I will please Sarge" programming thrown in for good measure.

    As always, thank you for the insights. I'm getting better thanks to all of you.

    EDIT: Texted her today ala Skills:

    Me: Melllllliiiiiiiisssssssaaaaaaa [not her real name]! What are you doing besides thinking of me and smiling?

    Her: Haha. I'm at [festival] again

    Me: Party animal

    Her: Haha not really. I party for this and my birthday, that's about it

    Me:" Fair enough. Well I suppose we should meet at some point. What's your schedule like this week?

    Her: Pretty busy unfortunately

    Me: Yeah me 2

    So there you have it.

    Seems I can't get past this fake interest for whatever reason.
    Last edited by SargeMaximus; 08-20-2018, 02:48 AM.

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    • Here's another one I was talking to a while ago. Tried to go ijjjji method on her but got the "I'm with my roommate" objection. So I gave a thumbs up emoji and she said "sorry" in response.

      Then I didn't contact her for 5 days and she contacted me tonight:


      Her:
      So you like to do the ignoring thing

      Me:
      That depends. What’s up?

      Her:
      Just seeing how you’re doing since you abruptly ended the conversation


      Me:
      Been busy with work, hbu?

      Her:
      Working as well, living

      Me:
      I hear you. What’s on the docket for tonight?

      Her:
      Laundry

      Me:
      Sounds exciting

      Her:
      What about you

      Me:
      At the moment I need to eat, but after that I’m free

      Me:
      Invite me over

      Her:
      Invite me over

      Me:
      Can’t my brother lives with me

      Her:
      I live with my best friend and her mom


      Me:
      Do you have a car?


      Hours later:

      Her:
      No

      Me:
      Unfortunate cause I’d totally invite you if you did

      Her:
      Sorry darling
      Last edited by SargeMaximus; 08-20-2018, 08:59 AM.

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      • No More Mr Nice Guy
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        You should have tried to meet up with her anyway...at a bar/cofeeshop/park. Face to face is always better than electronic.

      • SargeMaximus

        SargeMaximus

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        Yeah I know but I was high off a killer day from sales and wanted to be able to “just be myself”

    • Got another:


      Me:
      You look like trouble

      Her:
      Hahaha you guessed right

      Me:
      Takes one to know one what’s up?

      Her:
      Hopefully your cock

      Me:
      Yeah but it won’t do you much good over here

      Her:
      True

      Me:
      It’s a conundrum

      Her:
      And it’s really too bad that I’m in [area] on holiday

      Me:
      That is unfortunate

      Her:
      Text doesn’t quite cute it

      Me:
      Lemme guess you want video?

      Her:
      I was thinking more along the lines of getting in touch when I was back in town

      Me:
      Thank god, now I don’t think you’re a dude with a fake profile. When are you back?

      Her:
      Next Monday

      Me:
      Cool. I’ll come over. Got any more pics so I know for sure you’re legit?

      Her:
      *sends Safe-for-work pic*

      Me:
      Not bad

      Her:
      Thanks

      Me:
      What’s your number?

      [no response]

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      • Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post

        Me:
        Thank god, now I don’t think you’re a dude with a fake profile. When are you back?
        after this her vagina sealed up. you're basically telling her, you don't match with girls of her caliber ("finally!! this girl is legit this time and not a bot/guy pretending to be a girl!!! = negative social proof), so when you asked for the number of course she's not gonna respond lol.

        better:

        Her:
        Text doesn’t quite cute it

        you:

        dick pics are earned not given


        Her:
        haha I was thinking more along the lines of getting in touch when I was back in town

        you:

        hmmm...what day bad girl?

        Her:
        Next Monday

        you:

        cool. I'll let you know

        you:

        #?

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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          See and here I thought I was being genuine. Funny thing is I had sex with a girl hotter than her from online so obviously that’s wrong about me not matching with girls her calibre. Anyhow thanks for the feedback. I’ll try that next time tho tbh Im tired of going the “hard to get” route since tgat hasn’t been working

      • SargeMaximus

        "Funny thing is I had sex with a girl hotter than her from online so obviously that’s wrong about me not matching with girls her calibre."

        Doesn't matter. your texts don't communicate that....so that's why she interpreted it the way she did (which does matter)

        I want you to think about what your texts are communicating...

        for example, what is this text communicating:

        "Cool. I’ll come over. Got any more pics so I know for sure you’re legit?"

        To me this says: "All you need to do to get me, is be a girl and show interest in me because I have no standards like every other thirsty guy on this app. To use Todd's job analogy, regarding showing intent, instead of communicating "there is a job that exists and you are being potentially considered for it" (I'm the prize) you already gave her the job, regardless of her credentials. Watch this clip to see Todd break it down:

        https://streamable.com/qc75i

        What do MY texts communicate:

        "dick pics are earned not given"
        "hmmm..."
        "I'll let you know"
        "#?" Vs "whats your number?"

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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          Yeah but this comes back to the congruency thing. I DO just want a girl. I also hate the games . I also had sex with an 8.5 with much less convo than is here so it can totally be done and I’m kind of spoiled because of that experience.

          Finally, since doing the whole “prizing” thing hasn’t been working, I’m starting to doubt it. I’m willing to try it but what am I missing? Why isn’t it working in all those examples above?

          Also: What if the job she's being considered for is spontaneous fuck buddy that would have responded WELL to me in that conversation? Why does it have to be so "make em wait"?

          Like I said, that doesn't seem to be working anyways and the girls are either losing interest or something.

      • SargeMaximus

        "I DO just want a girl."

        ...so does literally every other guy on the planet that signed up for Bumble/Tinder. What makes you different from the other guys? Standards. Game.

        "I also hate the games"

        that's cool. Here is my recommendation for guys that hate games and just want to bang hot girls:

        1) leave the forum
        2) save up lots of money
        3).buy high end prostitutes

        "what am I missing?"

        too much back and forth. keep it simple.

        tease her a bit, then get her to qualify herself to you. then spike her emotions by provoking (cocky comment) and passing her shit test. At this high point in the interaction, get the number Vs waiting until the conversation is dying down, so you can set up a date asap.

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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          I’m in the process of making enough money to live that life, in the meantime I need game. But what about Skills? He doesn’t seem to do this shit. His stuff is super forward. I don’t think I’ve read him ever doing push pull.

          Anyhow I’ll try this new way. Also, I’m getting a pick up coach this Friday so hopefully things will make sense.

      • SargeMaximus

        "Why does it have to be so "make em wait"?"

        Because a girl notch is different from a male notch:

        "A general rule is once a girl knows she could sleep with you, that’s her “notch”. Once your thirst is telegraphed, actually having sex is superfluous to the woman. She’s already validated… why take on the potential risks of sex with some dude she barely knows?"

        A girl knows a beta male is a sure thing, and that sucks all the tension and excitement out of her interest in him. But the alpha male leaves her wondering if he’s really that into her or if she’s up to his standards, and this will compel her to work harder to please him and earn his affection.

        To wrest the real notch from a girl, you have to deny her the Girl Notch. And that means taunting her ego with the idea that uncertainty is the rule and validation is the exception."

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017...he-girl-notch/

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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          This makes no sense. Why would women have sex with a guy more than once then? Shouldn't they know they "have you" once you've fucked them?

          Anyhow, I want to hear Skills thoughts on this. He said I could use Straight Line with seduction, and that's exactly what I'm doing here. It's obviously not working but like I told Skills, in sales I mop the floor with it. So maybe the other part of things IS the validation, but again, I think Skills gives women lots of validation so that can't be it. Need another perspective.

          Also, in that article, it says you have to make them feel you'll walk away if she doesn't. Which is exactly what I'm doing "walking away when they don't play ball" so again, something else is needed.

      • SargeMaximus

        ​​​​​​​"Why would women have sex with a guy more than once then? Shouldn't they know they "have you" once you've fucked them?"

        Because you gave her good emotions and great sex and she wants to experience that again....

        The girl knows they "have you" when you demonstrate behaviors such as:

        - answering their texts immediately instead of ignoring her sometimes.
        - constantly hitting her up to meet up.
        - showering her with love and affection too early in the relationship

        THAT will make the girl feels like they already "have you" (not a challenge) and thus lose attraction for you real quick.

        "you have to make them feel you'll walk away"

        keyword: FEEL. don't actually walk away....you don't have high enough value yet for her to chase you...you're just another dude trying to get his dick wet on a hookup app. 5 minutes after you stop messaging her, 15 more dudes are gonna hit her up. she doesn't give a single fuck.

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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          K well like I said it works in sales, even with people who’ve already been spoken to by other companies. Women can have more than one lover too so that still makes no sense.

          Anyhow, I hope my pick up coach will help me understand because that’s what I really need.

      • SargeMaximus

        She knows the alpha lover(s) she's fucking, WILL leave her, if she disrespects him. And she knows (or at least feels like) she isn't the only girl he is fucking = she doesn't have him (attractive)

        When she senses, you WILL NOT leave her no matter what and you tolerate her disrespect toward you because she's your only option = that makes her feel like she has you (unattractive)

        very simple concept, the pickup coach will also tell you, but make it sound more complex to justify spending $$$

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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          I don’t tolerate disrespect and I do walk away, like I said. So yeah, somethings missing cause that isn’t ennough

      • Originally posted by Velasco View Post
        SargeMaximus



        tease her a bit, then get her to qualify herself to you. then spike her emotions by provoking (cocky comment) and passing her shit test. At this high point in the interaction, get the number Vs waiting until the conversation is dying down, so you can set up a date asap.
        ^ This is exactly what i do and i tell him to do and he says i don't do this,lol http://www.theskillsmethod.com/compl...-game-student/


        Straight line means DON'T DEVIATE, i told you a million times... but he does not get it....

        Sarge method as always:

        1.- ask

        2. get answers

        3.- do his own version all misunderstod

        4.- miss represent was has been told


        rinse was repeat.... Get a coach... good bet...






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        • SargeMaximus

          SargeMaximus

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          I tried your way many times skills, it did not work. At least in my latest she was talking about my cock. Never had that with yours. Just fizzled out before I could get to the second question. And what do you mean? I skimmed over that article, clicked a screenshot and right there you say to the girl "aside from having a cyber crush on ashlee" lol, how the fuck is that teasing her? You already show her you're interested. That's what I mean. Your method you show interest (HIGH interest) right from the get go.

          And what I did with this girl online was exactly how I would have done a sales pitch and it works like magic. THAT is Straight Line to me. So again you're talking about something else, but it's not Straight Line.

      • SargeMaximus

        different dynamics

        You walk away because the girls don't chase you ("don't play ball") like you expect them to. And the reason they don't chase you is because you really haven't done anything to differentiate yourself from the other guys ("make em wait")

        what other guy does:

        1) back and forth "fun" getting to know each other conversation that eventually fizzles out.
        2) go direct. Which lets her know she could fuck you if she felt like it...and now theres no fun in that anymore. She's Validated. no need to fuck you (there's no "god that guy makes me so horny, I want to fuck him so bad but he keeps teasing me/ignoring me"). girl notch

        You can't next (walk away) a girl you haven't fucked, that's her nexting YOU.

        Once you've actually fucked a girl, if she disrespects you, THEN you can walk away/soft next because it's on your own terms.

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        • SargeMaximus

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          Whatever. Playing hard to get wasn’t working. It came off as robotic, Skills said so himself. Plus like I said, look at Skills screenshots, in all of them he’s complimenting and indicating high interest with way more texting than the girl so explain to me why that’s ok for him but not me.

        • Skills360

          Skills360

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          I don't compliment women online, unless they are already interested, very compliant and they send me a pic, where i escalate sexually in a flirty way dude... Do not compliment women looks online, it has to be the right context and feel of the dynamic, and my method is taking from other people such as bd and pob and kant, and others, the screenshot was not me you know that was my student right?

        • SargeMaximus

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          I did not know that cause you posted the link saying “this is exactly what I do”. Anyhow I never compliment girls either except once just recently she sent a pic and I said “not bad” lol so over invested >>

      • Sarge, the only reason i used straight line selling with you as an analogy is cause i see tons of similirities in how i influence women, and to make it more familiar to you....

        you have to have a goal and from the get go you need to lead the horse to the water, so the horse can drink the water vs FORCING THE dunkie to the water....

        you open (you been opening good getting a reply that is the ONLY goal of the opener)....... again the only goal of the opener IS TO GET A REPLY, even if is Fuck you! the equivalent in sales of being in front of the decision maker.
        me: So you come to my profile and not say hi, how rude not hot enough for you probably for the best, we would never get along anyways… We would have too much fun together I am Felipe!
        Once you get a reply, the goal unlike straight line is not to say the reason for my call since is obvious so you skip that step, i hope you are fallowing this cause seriously bro, this ain't rocket science and my sales style is totally the straight line as i told you i was trained by the dude from that boiler room.... So i am just talking about it so you can is the same shit...

        now you still got nothing, she does not know who you are , she does not know if you are cool, she does not know anything about you, you are 1 of a million dicks in the cyber space...

        So now you would say SUSSY, ready for your test (this has been field tested by a seducer named cocporn a million times).....

        Now the qualifying questions FROM BLACKDRAGON (used by bd and his students a million times)

        How happy are you in your life from 1 to 10? 10 being best?

        now she will answer, if she answer she is investing and being compliant and is a chance for you to banter in a way to show your personality (attractive shit not you weak shit)

        then you ask a second qualifying question

        Tell me 2 qualities that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR APPEARANCE? i have my guesses but you would no better than i know.... This is from style (he even used in national tv to seduce eva vanglorya or whatever her name is) bd took it and adopted it to online (it works for me and a bunch of his students)

        when she answers you can elaborate on her answer and she may ask the 2 questions back to you which are huge iois, have pre can answer were you show attractive alpha traits and elaborate

        nurse: I’m a good listener, and I am compassionate

        What about you?

        me: Humor and my relationship/people skills….. Julie i think you are safe enough and someone worth getting to know, anyways i am barely here text me at 561-@#$%@#$%$%$% text this is Julie pof so i know who you are…. I do not always text back right away, is not cause i am not interested, but cause i may be with a client…muazzz
        Move her off the app to a cell phone (huge investment and compliance or just set up a meet.... For me personally setting up a meet does not work and i am really good at second generation texting and for me is better to text and set up sexual frames)

        for guys like bd, kant, pob etc... is better to go for a meet...


        BOTH WORK....

        if it fails is not SKILLS METHOD DOES NOT WORK, is that you do some things here and there don't do others, and your aspiness crips back in... I mean how many lay reports or proof do you need... all the people mention have dozens of samples... NONE LOOK like what you are freestyling with...

        when i say showing personality this is what i mean WHILE KEEPING ON SCRIPT:

        Ok just banged another girl so easy anyways, i have seen people making mistakes via pm, the biggest mistake is that they do not add commentary and sound robotic...

        so for example if she says

        8

        they go into another question right away without commentary

        example:

        bad: how happy are you in your life from 1 to 10


        she goes: 8


        then the dude goes: "oh that is high and then goes into tell me 2 things about you that have nothing to do with your looks....


        ^ see all that is bad and robotic vs me:

        8

        me: that is because you have not meet me yet, once you meet me is going to go to 10, but i am glad is 8 anything less than 8 is a red flag to me cause they are expecting usually the guy to supply their happiness... anyways, what are your 2 best qualities that have nothing to do with your looks???



        So the biggest mistake is not adding personality or commentary to the structure post question answer...

        Again it will sound robotic and just like another pua...



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        • Thanks for the breakdown Skills, but isn't this EXACTLY what I was doing before the last few? The ones I did where you said you had tears coming down your eyes because I finally "got it", those ones.
          They still fizzled out.

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          • Originally posted by SargeMaximus View Post
            Thanks for the breakdown Skills, but isn't this EXACTLY what I was doing before the last few? The ones I did where you said you had tears coming down your eyes because I finally "got it", those ones.
            They still fizzled out.
            ok let me tell you something, lets say you are super perfect and you did nothing wrong.... you still may be dealing with an attention whore (which is why you request meet, or move them off the app to screen them out)

            you may be with a girl that has been in a more advance stage with another guy (you are competing with minimum 5 guys)http://www.theskillsmethod.com/think...s-online-game/

            she may be with a girl that had a window of opportunity and it closed etc......

            that is why you need to work at least 4-5 dating sites, and multiple women, and keep track....

            also you need to do street game (day or night game)

            and also have a fuck buddy or 2 in rotation

            and work on you appearance style etc...(play with different pics, change your profile, recycle profile and the likes)

            and have hobbies etc...

            and all that ...


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            • SargeMaximus

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              Ok thanks. that’s what I’m hoping to achieve by all this. Guess I’ll just keep working the sites and start some day game like you suggest. Once I talk to my coach I’ll have daygame material.

          • Ok skills, here's me trying your method VERBATIM and putting banter in there. This is the result:



            Me:
            I read your profile and it would never work between us. We’d have too much fun together! I’m Sarge

            Her:
            You're right. We would have a passionate yet violent and unhealthy fling resulting in children we despise and a large home filled with expensive things and loathing for each other. You know. The heterosexual dream.

            I'm [name]. I am currently eating cheese and drinking wine in bed in my underwear. Kinda bougie like that.

            Me:
            I can dig it [Misspelled name]. I’m currently laying in bed too. Just woke up

            Her:
            You spelled my name wrong instantly. Yikes.

            Me:
            Auto correct is a bitch

            Her:
            It sure is.


            Me:
            So are you ready for your test?

            Her:
            Maybe. That depends what it is. If it's stupid I'll just ghost.


            Me:
            If you ghost it saves me time. Here you go: how happy are you in your life from 1 to 10? 10 being best?

            Her:
            7. I'm solid and stable but I have health issues really preventing me from hitting my full potential right now. I'm on the wait list for surgery and then that will fly right up to a 9 or 10. Aside from the near constant pain my life is amazing. I have investors who want to work with me and my cannabis products, I just bought another house cuz I'm bored of this one, and my investments so far have done well enough that I can afford to take the time off and focus on my health right now.


            Me:
            That’s awesome. So you’ll be a drug lord and a land lord, that and you can pay for our extravagant and depraved lifestyle Now tell me 2 qualities that have nothing to do with your appearance. I have my guesses but you would know better

            Her:
            When it come to investments and making money I have an uncanny sense for great value. Thus far I have never taken a loss on a flipped house. That's what I was doing for a time before my health started to give out.

            I'm a very frugal person normally. I prefer not to spend a lot, would rather bus, make food myself, etc. No one ever got anywhere good by swinging their dicks around looking for attention you know?


            Me:
            Yeah I hear that. Making money is definitely the most important thing. [name] I think you are safe enough and someone worth getting to know. Anyways I’m barely here, text me at ###-###-#### text “this is [name] from pof so I know who you are. I do not always text back right away, it’s not cause I’m not interested but may be away from the phone... muazzz

            Her:
            Lol I never text first.

            ###-###-####. Have fun.

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