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  • #16
    I'll try it with tomorrow's girl. She was on her period so I didn't bang her but we did other stuff and talked about trying s&m. My problem is I only want to bang a chick once so it's only really hot if I don't talk about it first and just do it. I like the safe word thing bc I usually feel really nervous cavemanning a chick I know my neighbors can hear shouting now stop etc. I'm always thinking if I piss this girl off after sex she could have me imprisoned with little effort. I mean like tonight's chick squirted some blood the first time because my nails weren't trimmed and I was overzealous. A rape test would not look good considering I slapped her, choked her, made her swallow fluids, made her bleed, pulled her hair, restrained her arms, etc. esp in a foreign country where I'd have a hard time explaining myself. But talking about a safe word is a little weird given the way I'm laying these girls. I feel like it's kill things for first time sex. Maybe something to bring up on round three? Yeah in fact round three should be the s&m round!

    1 man cums as quickly as possible
    2 man makes woman squirt
    3 s&m with safe word
    4 kick her out for being a filthy abused whore jk

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    • #17
      it's tricky, you wanna play it safe but on other hand it might be just a woman's fantasy..
      I don't think it's important you live up 100% to those fantasies, you can get close in a safer way

      hmm, I wanted to write a lot, but it's too much info to go in depth...

      Anyway, I never did all of it on the first time man.... if you want just have sex talk before to establish frame of you being the dominant etc... Pelusita had a report where he did that and he would spank the girl first and fuck with her with a dildo... still nothing too kinky, but it was a given

      you want to take things step-by-step, develop trust
      Just have dominant vanilla sex, pin her down, push her over to matrass while doggy etc, calibrate if you can spank, pull hair, light choking (with choking always release very soon, just give an idea first and gain trust for later)

      add dirty talk, it might feel awkward but you want a woman to get used to your voice, slowly, so she will be more receptive to it when you will go deeper

      you'll find some point where you'll be thinking, this might be too much

      then discuss that afterwards, i agree you don't want to interrupt a first round of sex ever by such talks, so just don't do it yet and have dominant vanilla sex...

      Hmmmm, times when I'd introduced a similar talk is after we had some really rough sex and I was having doubts like you (it was with a person I trusted though, not a ONS) and I'd say:
      "Just want to make sure we are both comfortable with this.. blablabla... how was it for you, how much more could you take?" just make it honest and respectful without a goal
      Then you can talk about the "red; yellow; green" safety word system the next time before you start and start playing

      The way you play is up to you, it usually has a theme for me
      "she turns me on too much so needs to be spanked, teased and punished for being so bad, every time she does something dirty like looking at me with hungry eyes or moaning too much, I will pull her to my lap, or turn her around to her stomach, or command her to go on her knees and I will spank her very hard, or have her choke on my cock as punishment, if it's like she enjoys it too much I will stop her from sucking me, and go back to spanking" during foreplay

      or you can just use her as your sex toy for the night, verbally command her what to do, tell her how she serves you etc,

      different things for different persons on different nights

      you don't discuss the themes really, unless it's something really different that needs planning (rape play etc), usually you can just start playing during foreplay say something like "hmmm, you've made me much too horny last week with that text, remember? do you remember?" she will say something like "Yes" admitting she's guilty or play innocent with a "no" (both are hot :P) - she will get why you asked that if you do it right... "Well I'm glad you remembered, cause we both know that has consequences for you" / when no tell her how's being bad or something
      tell her to take off her dress or something, and go on her fours or pull her over your lap and start spanking her and tell her how she NEEDS a spanking from you so she can behave well again or something

      well, don't really feel like writing more, this isn't a porno
      but I hope you get the picture of starting to play such games within boundaries and create the theme in between the lines, it's like PU frame control a bit

      However, I always established such games beyond the ONS, but on the ONS you can have dominant vanilla sex, then just follow up with a talk like "how far can we go?" then next time introduce safe words (I like the red yellow green most for introduction, one safe word is a bit too "oh BDSM")

      Maybe someone else can chime in how to do this on a first night...

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      • #18
        I think women know subconsciiusly that when we objectify you and use you purely selfishly, is when you finally REACH us.

        Despite all the social programming garbage.

        Its the chicks that i ream the shit out of every ehich way, that i also like talking to after. Not all guys are like me though. A lot of guys think that a girl being slutty is someine to be used. Guys are on an average dumber than women. The best guys are way better than almost all chicks though. If you are a girl, your job is to find one of those guys and join his harem, if you can shed your social programming baggage lol. Instead of shacking up with angry losers, who judge you. Thats the recipe for female happiness, yup. I shit you not lol 100% serious.

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        • #19
          Hangman I've been thinking along these lines too. It really is unfortunate that being good at game and having abundance means we rarely see the reason to try to help potentially good girls shed their programming and baggage. Me personally I just don't have the time. Then I think the girl gets even more programmed bc she has no clue why I broke it off after one bang. She thinks I only wanted sex and so she will act more prude. When actually I felt like she was already way to prude for the quality of her body and fuck but she could have been kept around if she wa snore open Sexually and didn't make me work for it to the point of losing attraction.
          as an experiment I tried discussing this with a few girls and all they could hear was I'm a sex pervert and I think your fat. So sad. This is why it's better to just be aggressive and plow then at least the one time sex is hot and nasty.

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          • #20
            http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p...game)-Explicit

            Try to do something similar pre-lay, t&m?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Travel&Museums View Post
              It really is unfortunate that being good at game and having abundance means we rarely see the reason to try to help potentially good girls shed their programming and baggage.
              This framing would make Teevster a captain-save-a-ho haha, saving one poor girl at a time by reframing her beliefs and fucking her silly.

              You're talking about non-screening or less-screening approaches to game T&M. A lot of guys will take some time to flip a girl of choice to red pill in order to get balls deep in her, Teevster being the sexual reframe champ.

              In my experience, this comes WITH abundance. You have enough pussy on tap that there's no "need to get laid" urgency behind your seductions, so you can be more selective and take your time to make it happen with a particular girl of choice, while fucking all your other pussy.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by letsgetlost View Post
                Apologies for the overly dramatic title.
                My question is, why do some women, me included, like really rough sex? As in what is the psychology behind it?

                I've met a guy and he almost strangles me and hits me during sex but in a strange sort of way I really enjoy it, is that bad?

                i think I am obsessed with this guy, I don't know if I'm using the term right but I may have Oneitis
                You are looking for the psychology of yourself getting fucked by black men, heh? You little slut, Skills silently gave me the permission to bitch here. Stop asking those retarded questions and start to get paid for fucking . a cheese pie is enough for you to start a career in fucking.

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                • #23
                  Every time I have sex with a new woman, I wonder how rough I can get. While almost every girl loves rough sex, some like it extra rough from the beginning (like biting her neck hard, twisting nipples, fingering dry anus...), some, on the other hand, told me that too much pain reduces their horniness and put them out of the sex trance.

                  Maybe it depends on how much pain a girl can tolerate? any hard and fast rule to ensure that you rock it up enough for her to be aroused but not being too painful?

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                  • #24
                    hmm i like it personally when it surprises me/ I feel it

                    for.me it's not the pain but the surprise that works very well.

                    dont know how that would be for your girls.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kit View Post
                      hmm i like it personally when it surprises me/ I feel it

                      for.me it's not the pain but the surprise that works very well.

                      dont know how that would be for your girls.
                      Let me just say that this varies widely with women, before some guy here goes and tries to "surprise" his women lol

                      Some girls respond best to a total lack of surprise: especially if you are trying something like anal for the first time. Let her cooperate and be mentally and physically (enema etc) so she feels totally comfortable about it. Obviously, this varies. Some girls like it to be pretty "rape-y".

                      Also some girls dont like specific things. I had a girl who I was doing all kinds of bad things to, and was thoroughly enjoying all of it, tell me after one session were i slapped her a little, that slapping scares her and makes her come out of the trance. Apparently her mother slapped her once when she was a kid or something. So i stopped doing it.

                      Also I am pretty vanilla when it comes to sex, as i am getting older. That affects how girls respond to me in bed I think. There is an air of they wanting to try various things and me "teaching her" almost semi-reluctantly vibe to it. Its working so far for both parties involved.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by hangman View Post
                        Let me just say that this varies widely with women, before some guy here goes and tries to "surprise" his women lol

                        Some girls respond best to a total lack of surprise: especially if you are trying something like anal for the first time. Let her cooperate and be mentally and physically (enema etc) so she feels totally comfortable about it. Obviously, this varies. Some girls like it to be pretty "rape-y".

                        Also some girls dont like specific things. I had a girl who I was doing all kinds of bad things to, and was thoroughly enjoying all of it, tell me after one session were i slapped her a little, that slapping scares her and makes her come out of the trance. Apparently her mother slapped her once when she was a kid or something. So i stopped doing it.

                        Also I am pretty vanilla when it comes to sex, as i am getting older. That affects how girls respond to me in bed I think. There is an air of they wanting to try various things and me "teaching her" almost semi-reluctantly vibe to it. Its working so far for both parties involved.
                        funny in a way. No ok not funny. rather interesting

                        I mean that thing about slapping and the girl saying it broufht her out of the trance.

                        I have the same thing actually, maybe that's why

                        when guys do stuff that i have had my mom do in a serious situation, i go out of the trance and totally rational which is absolutely not nice.

                        i wonder whether it also works the other way around. That some triggers that we associate with sex have been built up at a young age.

                        For me it's not only with slapping but also some other stuff too that gets me out of it.. and i wonder how that's related.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Kit View Post
                          funny in a way. No ok not funny. rather interesting

                          I mean that thing about slapping and the girl saying it broufht her out of the trance.

                          I have the same thing actually, maybe that's why

                          when guys do stuff that i have had my mom do in a serious situation, i go out of the trance and totally rational which is absolutely not nice.

                          i wonder whether it also works the other way around. That some triggers that we associate with sex have been built up at a young age.

                          For me it's not only with slapping but also some other stuff too that gets me out of it.. and i wonder how that's related.
                          What was intetesting abt this particular girl was that she loved rough stuff, especially choking. And I fucking haaaaaate choking. I hate anything with the possibility of petrmanent damage, makes me nervous. Which is why i was trying to take a step backward by slapping her instead of choking her. lol. But that freaked her.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by hangman View Post
                            What was intetesting abt this particular girl was that she loved rough stuff, especially choking. And I fucking haaaaaate choking. I hate anything with the possibility of petrmanent damage, makes me nervous. Which is why i was trying to take a step backward by slapping her instead of choking her. lol. But that freaked her.
                            lol weird.

                            sucks i guess
                            how did you 'solve' it?
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kit View Post
                              lol weird.

                              sucks i guess
                              how did you 'solve' it?
                              I stopped slapping that crazy bitch and went back to choking her. Obviously.

                              I'll do anythibg for love.

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