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  • Men Allowed attractive women for a fling, less attractive women for a relationship? ?

    http://m.jamaicaobserver.com/mobile/...e-women--study

    yes or no?

    dunno i wanna say it's crap, but maybe it makes sense

    note: they defined attractive/not attractive by estrogen influence on face, not other important stuff
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

  • #2
    I didn't read the article but the headline isn't true in my case. For a relationship a girl needs to be more physically attractive than for a fb-relationship. Personality traits become more important as well.
    "There is a fundamental difference between men and women. To ignore it means to suffer, to experience it means to love. To understand it means seduction."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by animal View Post
      I didn't read the article but the headline isn't true in my case. For a relationship a girl needs to be more physically attractive than for a fb-relationship. Personality traits become more important as well.

      would you "trust" a girl that's more physically attractive to want you/be happy/content with you though?

      interesting though, since a study says the opposite may be true for the guys in the study
      Last edited by Kit; 12-18-2016, 06:23 PM.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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      • #4
        Whether I trust a girl has to do with her personality and not so much her looks. I have seen plenty of 7s who I wouldn't trust and I have also seen 9s who I would.

        I should probably mention that I have never dated a 10. At this level of attractiveness it could be different.
        "There is a fundamental difference between men and women. To ignore it means to suffer, to experience it means to love. To understand it means seduction."

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        • #5
          Part about marrying less attractive women was pure speculation.
          I promise results would be identical to the test they did carry out (fling). Men are simple. Sex is sex, regardless of labels.
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          Hates: Putting pressure on others. Things that feel 'brainy'.

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          • #6
            It's hard to ever take any self reporting by the average male seriously, because they basically take what comes to them.

            So basically they get directed around, be it a one night stand or an long term relationship. Then they get asked what they prefer and honestly report. Then the researchers go "but why are more men with more masculine featured women in relationships, but they prefer a more feminine face for a fling". I think the more fascinating study would be why the more masculine faced women are making LTRs, and feminine featured are flirting and creating one night stands . Most men are passive rubes in all of this. Average male actions and preferences are of little value in mating and dating studies.

            They are so powerless in the process it's about as revealing as asking a Polar bear for self defense moves.


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            • #7
              Beside the fact that these guys who make these choices are cowards I would say they also make the wrong choice: the more a woman is masculine the higher is her propensity to sexual promiscuity. There are many studies indicating that a higher level of testosterone in a woman induces sexual promiscuity. Instead a very feminine woman who is HSE (high self-esteem) maybe be very, very exclusive in relationships.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_promiscuity
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Franco View Post
                Beside the fact that these guys who make these choices are cowards I would say they also make the wrong choice: the more a woman is masculine the higher is her propensity to sexual promiscuity. There are many studies indicating that a higher level of testosterone in a woman induces sexual promiscuity. Instead a very feminine woman who is HSE (high self-esteem) maybe be very, very exclusive in relationships.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_promiscuity

                Actually
                a more feminine woman may have more testosteron as well (funfact)
                Actually during ovulation a women's testosteron levels also rise (higher sexdrive remember?)

                and more/too much estrogen results in more testosteron as well..

                a more masculine women usually has less estrogen, but not necessarily more testosteron


                At least.. that's all I know of it.
                Just figured i should tell you. =)

                (so basically high estrogen is also associated with higher sexdrive. hence it would make sense that a women with less estrogen would have a lower sexdrive )
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kit View Post
                  Actually
                  a more feminine woman may have more testosteron as well (funfact)
                  Actually during ovulation a women's testosteron levels also rise (higher sexdrive remember?)
                  and more/too much estrogen results in more testosteron as well..
                  a more masculine women usually has less estrogen, but not necessarily more testosteron
                  Sure that is also true. There is a balance between hormones and it is dynamic process. Nature tends to increase masculine features in women and feminine features in men at the peak of attraction in order to make the genders feel they are "closer to each other". It creates an "illusion". Shall we call it "falling in love"? The purpose is procreation. The famous study by Desmond Morris regarding male faces during ovulation and during the other time of the cycle is very revealing. Anyway these guys are still being very simple if they think that choosing a less attractive woman for a relationship would be a solution to their fears. Also they miss the type of very feminine and very attractive woman who is naturally exclusive. These women do exist. Actually I would say they are a majority.

                  Originally posted by Kit View Post
                  least.. that's all I know of it.
                  Just figured i should tell you. =)(so basically high estrogen is also associated with higher sexdrive. hence it would make sense that a women with less estrogen would have a lower sexdrive )
                  Thanks. Higher sex drive anyway does not mean the same like predisposition to sexual promiscuity (what a bad word by the way) and polyamorous lifestyle. Higher estrogen's driven increased sexual desire is associated with the most important trait of female sexuality which is: emotional communication. A woman who feels satisfied in her emotional communication with her man will be naturally exclusive. Actually in my (long) experience of women I have noticed already since years that if I manage to induce attraction, worship and fascination in a woman and she will feel she is satisfied in her emotional communication she will be naturally exclusive to me. The way of "infidelity" of this kind of woman is different. She will need to find a way to be unsatisfied in me in order to justify having sex with another man. If I will want to have her into polyamorous lifestyle I will to even "fight against" her real nature. In a way have her act against her own self-image and identity. Instead a testosterone driven woman will be 1. Dominant 2. Will tend to control emotions by logic (just like men) 3. Be competitive 4. Will be attracted by dominant men but soon after get into fights with them. 5. Will try to have relationships with weaker men (these will last longer) and then 6. Will dump these weaker men for shorter (and dramatic) relationships with stronger men. There is an aggressive, competitive aspect in truly masculine women that is totally missing in estrogen driven women. A clear sign of a masculine woman is if she reacts by logic to my attempt of establishing emotional communication with her. Also another factor that makes of this topic very complicated is the fact that sexuality, survival and exerting power on each other are in our human race (sadly) strictly linked to each other.

                  By the way a funny story. Once I was trying to attract a local woman (there are many very masculine women where I live) on a ship trip by running on her one of my self-made patterns. It is an emotional description of a day in Rome. I call it "The one minute Rome story" It goes like "You know.. waking up in the morning and enjoying a wonderful walk along the ancient and romantic Rome.." and it continues.

                  She was in the company of a skinhead guy (they are very dangerous) and she literally told the drunk guy to fuck off in order to be able to talk with me.

                  She hears the story (which I had naturally flow from the fact that I am Italian and girls are always curious about that)

                  And then she says: "What is this? A psychological test?"

                  LOL.. VERY masculine woman.
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                  • #10
                    Kit, I think the study says single men take less attractive women for wives because of scarcity (lowering standards to improve the odds.) And married men are looking for better looking women for flings because abundance of sex at home and the danger of getting caught prods them to be pickier. Am I reading this right? If so then the title has nothing to do with the study and more to do with "traditional wisdom." It could be that "Men prefer to marry less attractive women" as the title says, but the study doesn't prove it.
                    "Traditional wisdom" says that most men choose uglier women for wives. It's understood to happen because men's M/W complexes and insecurities. (men think: "If she's the hottest I've been with maybe I don't really deserve her. It will never work long term" or "She's so hot, she'll surely find someone better." or "I'm getting clingy because I'll never find one as hot as she is.", or "She's surely a whore, "good girls" are never this hot.") It's what I believe Franco means by cowardice.
                    The worst one I heard was when I was a young man (21 or so.) I slept with a friend's wife. She was not "a 10" but she was charming in her femininity, submissiveness, and emotional richness. Someone I could love. She got dumb and developed feelings for me. Then she got dumber and told her husband. I felt terrible. He threatened to kill me, then he wanted to just talk. When we talked, one of the things he said was: "I thought that by marrying an unattractive girl I was going to be safe from her cheating on me." That's when I stopped feeling sorry for unraveling his family (they had a young child too.) Can you imagine the hell she'd have had to live in. Being stuck with a guy that finds her unattractive for the rest of her life... just because of his insecurities. I'm glad I freed them both from that bond.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sase View Post
                      Kit, I think the study says single men take less attractive women for wives because of scarcity (lowering standards to improve the odds.) And married men are looking for better looking women for flings because abundance of sex at home and the danger of getting caught prods them to be pickier.
                      This is rationalisation afterwards though, this doesn't lie in line with what the mentioned study did:

                      In a study with several hundred heterosexual male volunteers, a team of researchers made composite pictures of women’s faces, and asked the men which ones they would choose for long- or short-term relationships.
                      It doesn't say anything about whether they have a chance of acquiring the women they choose.
                      Original abstract:

                      Abstract

                      Several evolutionarily relevant sources of individual differences in face preference have been documented for women. Here, we examine three such sources of individual variation in men's preference for female facial femininity: term of relationship, partnership status and self-perceived attractiveness. We show that men prefer more feminine female faces when rating for a short-term relationship and when they have a partner (Study 1). These variables were found to interact in a follow-up study (Study 2). Men who thought themselves attractive also preferred more feminized female faces for short-term relationships than men who thought themselves less attractive (Study 1 and Study 2). In women, similar findings for masculine preferences in male faces have been interpreted as adaptive. In men, such preferences potentially reflect that attractive males are able to compete for high-quality female partners in short-term contexts. When a man has secured a mate, the potential cost of being discovered may increase his choosiness regarding short-term partners relative to unpartnered men, who can better increase their short-term mating success by relaxing their standards. Such potentially strategic preferences imply that men also face trade-offs when choosing relatively masculine or feminine faced partners. In line with a trade-off, women with feminine faces were seen as more likely to be unfaithful and more likely to pursue short-term relationships (Study 3), suggesting that risk of cuckoldry is one factor that may limit men's preferences for femininity in women and could additionally lead to preferences for femininity in short-term mates.
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                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Franco View Post
                        By the way a funny story. Once I was trying to attract a local woman (there are many very masculine women where I live) on a ship trip by running on her one of my self-made patterns. It is an emotional description of a day in Rome. I call it "The one minute Rome story" It goes like "You know.. waking up in the morning and enjoying a wonderful walk along the ancient and romantic Rome.." and it continues.

                        She was in the company of a skinhead guy (they are very dangerous) and she literally told the drunk guy to fuck off in order to be able to talk with me.

                        She hears the story (which I had naturally flow from the fact that I am Italian and girls are always curious about that)

                        And then she says: "What is this? A psychological test?"

                        LOL.. VERY masculine woman.
                        uh what makes that so 'masculine'
                        sounds more like intelligent to me,
                        no offence but I think people somehow think girls are idiots, while girls can also just be intelligent // using their normal background to do stuff, without being less feminine (just being less of an airhead)

                        I would probably react in a similar fashion
                        (not that I am the average girl here.. posting on some forum where dudes try to pseudo science girls into onenightstands
                        (sorry if this sounds offending, but I would dare to say it's true LOL))

                        thing is, that doesn't make me more or less feminine.
                        just raises or lowers some points of my IQ, personality and it also says something about the atmosphere and society I have grown up in.

                        Dunno whether your other stuff may be true, just can see this example and feel like facepalming, i respect you franco, but this one was really off I think.

                        Did you grow up in italy btw? Because that would explain your predisposition to think of some girls as less feminine than others, based on the cultural gendernorms there.

                        edit: actually, funnily i was thinking about this and how i know many girls who act differently normally and differently when they want a guy.
                        (i do too probably)

                        mainly: they act way more like emotional creatures around them, in order to attract them by fitting their genderstereotype idea of a girl...
                        it makes me so sad to watch it happen, and I see it so fucking many times.
                        Just exactly this what you mention 'a feminine girl would react emotionally at it'
                        have you seen how often this is faked? it's really making me sad to watch it happen so often. Because while you said a girl may react emotionally, at the same time this implies a guy would not.. while guys may as well.
                        and girls may not.

                        Weird right?
                        That's gender stereotyping and that's why I dared to quote you and tell you i think this one story is bullshit.
                        You can't tell femininity and masculinity apart by how people react to a story LOL
                        (at least not if you want to go to the core of what makes a girl a female and a guy a male, and if you want to strip all culturally applied bullshit gender concepts)

                        I mean.. genderstereotyping is fun to play around with, but if you truly want to seduce someone i think it needs te be stripped away
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kit View Post
                          no offence but I think people somehow think girls are idiots, while girls can also just be intelligent // using their normal background to do stuff, without being less feminine (just being less of an airhead)
                          I do feel you to some degree here. I think a lot of what gets ascribed to females on these male-centric PU boards is true for people in general more than women in particular. There are considerably more universal similarities than there are sex-specific differences. No shortage of overly emotional and flakey dudes out there. I mean, just scroll through the threads here, I'd wager there's more emotion than logic fueling most discussions.

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                          • #14
                            thanks. was afraid everyone would go like "booo" here ��

                            edit: actually funnily i was holding a guys hand today.. and it was so weird to see how his fingers were truly way bigger than mine..
                            its funny, it feels like exploring the difference between male and female with him, without being restricted to gender norms.. just straightout love it.. weirdness

                            but truly, sexual polarisation at its best is seen in the small things I think
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

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                            • #15
                              I dunno, people just fear maiintaining relationships with hotter girls cuz they stress about her leaving or whatever
                              But if shes submissive to him in particular, he'll think he has the upper hand and like it
                              Loads of girls won't like giving a dude the upper hand like that though, and I agree
                              Except then that same girl goes and finds a guy she has the upper hand with in order to avoid her own confusion

                              So it works both ways
                              Its pretty annoying/stupid if you ask me
                              Most people are just total drifters like a sea cucumber or jellyfish floating about
                              There is no reasoning behind their choices other than proximity and ease of access to said relationship...

                              :/
                              Sad but true

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